is it wrong

[xr022kbKr02h]

another thread brings me to this question...is lust wrong?

lusting after another person is showing no respect, it is making use of their body, even if you are lusting over your own spose. lust is the reason for crimes like rape and molest.

but having no lust means that there is something wrong with you...there can e no sex without lust and thus, humans can't reproduce ( unless you make love for the sake of reproducing alone )

is lust wrong? if you say that a certain amount of lust is nessasiry and okay, how do you define that certain amount? if you say that lusting after your spose alone is okay, isn't that making use of your spose's body to bring pleasure to yourself? if you luv them, you wun want to make use of their body, rite?

but again, life will be so boring without lust

so...is lust wrong?

 

[Clem is Me]

First of all, respect is earned. No one "deserves" respect just because.

Second, lust is not disrespectful unless it is acted upon without consent.

 

[BarbB]

Lust and desire are not the same thing. Lust is a sin but desire strengthens the bond of love. Does this help?

 

[gracefaith]

Yes, lust refers to the obsessive desire for something that is NOT yours. You can desire your spouse all you want without sinning.

 

[amonk]

New Lamb ,
Lust and desire are both the same thing , love is seperate .
For lust in your belief is a sin and in my wisdom desire is suffering ,
And if you were valid about desire being the bond ,I don't catergorize love to be a suffering in my context .As in my wisdom love is ones wish to unselfishly wish upon the better of others by being selfless & humble to them unconditionally ,as love is not a need for one to have more of ,we are born with it .

 

[BarbB]

New Lamb ,
Lust and desire are both the same thing , love is seperate .
For lust in your belief is a sin and in my wisdom desire is suffering ,
And if you were valid about desire being the bond ,I don't catergorize love to be a suffering in my context .As in my wisdom love is ones wish to unselfishly wish upon the better of others by being selfless & humble to them unconditionally ,as love is not a need for one to have more of ,we are born with it .

amonk, I appreciate the sincerity of your post but have not a clue as to what you meant.

Love (eros) and sexual desire go hand in hand - think spouse.

Love (agape) has no sexual component. It has NO suffering.

 

[Norea]

I think lust is over-rated. But then again those TV Ads are getting pretty wild.

-- Bridget

 

[Eph. 3:20]

another thread brings me to this question...is lust wrong?

lusting after another person is showing no respect, it is making use of their body, even if you are lusting over your own spose. lust is the reason for crimes like rape and molest.

but having no lust means that there is something wrong with you...there can e no sex without lust and thus, humans can't reproduce ( unless you make love for the sake of reproducing alone )

is lust wrong? if you say that a certain amount of lust is nessasiry and okay, how do you define that certain amount? if you say that lusting after your spose alone is okay, isn't that making use of your spose's body to bring pleasure to yourself? if you luv them, you wun want to make use of their body, rite?

but again, life will be so boring without lust

so...is lust wrong?

With our modern day interpretation of lust, this leaves us in quite a quandary as you have noticed. Perhaps what we have been taught about lust is incorrect. Could that be the case? Maybe that's why it doesn't make sense. You have noted, "A certain amount of lust is necessary" this is true in relationships. A man or woman is drawn (sexually) to the opposite sex (usually). Are we to say that this physical/sexual attraction is wrong? Again, maybe it's our incorrect definition that we have assigned to that word.

The word used as lust "epithumeo" (Strongs #1937) is the exact same word used in Rom. 7:7, 13:9, "...for the Law said, thou shall not covet." That is what Christ was trying to teach us. It is wrong to put your "fixation" on a object, person or whatever and "desire" to have that "thing" for our own. It is "to strongly desire to have what belongs to someone else..." (pg. 291. 25.20, The Greek-English Lexicon of the NT based on Semantic Domains).

Just as the OT commandment tells us that we are not to covet our neighbor's house, wife, property etc...Jesus tells us the same thing. We can admire those things, even appreciate their beauty (sexually or otherwise), but we are not to place upon them that "fixation" to the point that we long for that "thing" that the other person has. To even "desire" to have my neighbor's wife as my own constitutes adultery in the Matt. passage. In the NT we are to live by the "Law of Love" (Matt. 22:37), that means that we are to put others first. To desire to take or steal another's property is not showing love for others. It is not about the desire. It is about the desire to posses something that belongs to another.

This is the exact reason why there was never, ever, ever a charge of adultery brought against the OT saints who desired to have more than one wife, or sex with their concubines or slaves. That is why there is never a problem with text like the Shulamite dancer (Song of Solomon). To define "lust" by our modern day definition is to understand the entire culture of the OT as sinful. If that is our understanding, then again it is a flawed human understanding and has no authority for Divine Law. God spoke nothing about the improper behaviour of His OT saints in these areas.

-Eph.

 

[amonk]

I contextualized our faiths into one form of both having no relevance to Love.

Desire in my wisdom ( buddhism ) = suffering .
Lust in your belief = Sin

An example of desire is :

• You wish for love to happen to you , your selfish desire for love comes its way , you think this is true but unaware needlessly you do not expect suffering to come , the other betrays your trust , you are left wounded .

• Your wound causes you a great suffering and you are unable to continue life .

I believe one should live life without suffering nor cause suffering to other creatures ,as there is no more suffering needed then what one already experiences .



I agree also your belief ,
But unless you are not perfected like Jesus ,then love only comes as a weakness , alot of people still continue to suffer because no-one can compare to the purity of Jesus .

Love today comes together for all the wrong ways ,the majority of people lack true happiness to come together in this world peacefully, this true happiness is relative to what you described as ' Love' but only a select few aquire these .

My comment on Jesus from buddhist side .
Jesus was a pure spirit ,he was flawless in my wisdom, I highly respect him as I believe he was born enlightened not only that but I have faith in him .


But we as only being only merely human we don't come close to the perfection of Christ as the majority of this world continue yet to suffer.

Sorry if you misunderstood me .

 

[HouseApe]

another thread brings me to this question...is lust wrong?

lusting after another person is showing no respect, it is making use of their body, even if you are lusting over your own spose. lust is the reason for crimes like rape and molest.

but having no lust means that there is something wrong with you...there can e no sex without lust and thus, humans can't reproduce ( unless you make love for the sake of reproducing alone )

is lust wrong? if you say that a certain amount of lust is nessasiry and okay, how do you define that certain amount? if you say that lusting after your spose alone is okay, isn't that making use of your spose's body to bring pleasure to yourself? if you luv them, you wun want to make use of their body, rite?

but again, life will be so boring without lust

so...is lust wrong?

If you define lust as wanting to have sex with someone, then know it is not wrong, regardless of who that person is. You will lust, whether you want to or not. That is a part of being an advanced form of life.

What can be wrong is the actions you take based upon your lust. Treating another person as nothing more than an object of your lust, against their wishes, is wrong.

 

[amonk]

life will be so boring without lust

Life is boring without value ,
if lust is acted upon boredom,
then value is lacking ,
therefore a sin .

 

[Norea]

I prefer cute fuzzy bunnehs and pokemon. Lust is just silly and only boys have some obsession with it. O_O

-- Bridget

 

[amonk]

Now now , girls do the same thing (I have a little sister(8) who is starting to talk about boys) .

Norea I love cats too , is that yours in the pic ?
maybe we have something in common p

 

[xr022kbKr02h]

I prefer cute fuzzy bunnehs and pokemon. Lust is just silly and only boys have some obsession with it. O_O

lol...on the contary...i find pokemon silly...

on the other side, lust brings upon crimes like rapes and molest...dun forget...

 

[amonk]

Lust is wrong only for christians but is never wrong for humans , it is ones choice to do as he wishes , if harm arises from ones freedom to do so then others will do harm unto him ,this is how karma works as this allows you freedom to be human only if you are prepared to face consequences .

 

[xr022kbKr02h]

is lust wrong for buddhist? for society? for one's well-being? for the clearity of our mind?

for...the freedom from attachment for all human race?

 

[amonk]

Lust is much hand in hand with desire for desire is suffering , but catholics do not seem to see it that.

We label all things harmful that lead from the root of desire such as lust .

 

[plmarquette]

the devil has 3 tools ...
1. lust of the eyes , greed , covetousness
2. lust of the flesh , carnal , sexual , stealing
3. pride of life .... wealthy

1 corinthians 6.9 are all sins of lust

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Lust doesn't bring about rape and molestation. Rape is often more about power than sexual desire. Molestation is an example of an obsessed sexual perversion coupled with a desire for power. Lust leads to premarital sexual activity, which is bad, but not the same. I do see desire and lust as separate. Desire can be healthy, lust is when it goes to the point of being unhealthy.

 

[Johnnz]

We all have normal sexual desires and arousal, produced by chemicals called hormones. These are not lust. An erections does not neccesarily imply lust, just sexual activity.

Lust occurs when normal arousal becomes associated with wrong sexual thoughts that violate moral standards.

It is important to recognise teh difference.

John
NZ