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Is it wrong to go to CLUBS?

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I believe its wrong...but my sister is adamant that there is nothing wrong with going to a CLUB (dancing with friends, etc) as a christian...so long as u dont get drunk or sleep with guys u meet.

I strongly disagree...but she tells me she has been a few times and it is just a fun atmosphere and theres nothing wrong with it. She tells me as long as it does not affect her in anyway, she is right to go. She told me I ought to try it sometime, as I am 18 already.

Are there any clear bible verses I could give her to prove she should not go to clubs? That they are wrong.....or am I wrong?

Whats your christian oppinion on this matter?
 

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Ecc 11:9 Be happy, young man[girl], while you are young,
and let your heart give you joy in the days of your youth.
Follow the ways of your heart
and whatever your eyes see,
but know that for all these things
God will bring you to judgment.

For young people the advice from the word of God seem to be: Enjoy life, but remember that there is one day a judgment.

I think your sister is right, that she can dance and have fun and enjoy life, as long as she don't put it above God or live a life in sin.
 
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Well, I'm 50 years old and while I go to places there are places and times I don't.

There really isn't a line one can draw for all situations.

Frankly at many clubs, they can be okay early in the evening, but turn into place that are quite dangerous later. If one is capable of standing up and going home at say 11:00, such a place is quite different than it is for someone who wants to stay to the end.

The problems of youth are covered quite well in the first eleven chapters of Proverbs, every young person should read them to gain wisdom.

As a young person, those clubs can be quite different not only by the time of night or day, but also by location within the club, there are more than a few where illegal activities are taking place in some corner, or place, in general, things aren't bad in the well lit, visible places near the door. If there is no well lit, visible place, well I'd suggest trying a different club.

Here's what I would suggest. You sister says let's go to a club, you say okay, but here's the thing, we go at 6 and we leave at 9 or earlier if I say so. If she says well that's before the party get going, then you know it's a place to avoid because there is nothing stopping fun from happening early in the evening. If it takes longer, that's because people are likely drinking and taking drugs to lose their inhibitions and the "party" gets going as they get drunk and high.

One big thing, never drink anything that has left your sight. If you dance, get a new drink, bathroom break, new drink. It might seem excessive, but not everyone taking drugs in a club was planning on taking them, drinks are a way others give drugs. Like the slime that put date rape drugs in women's drinks. That's the safe rule. It might be overkill depending on who with and where and when, but it's always safe. Not being of this world doesn't mean be stupid when dealing with the world.

Nothing wrong with having some fun with some friends, but be careful. Danger escalates as the night goes on. If they can't have fun in the daylight something's wrong, if they can't leave, something's wrong, if they won't take no for an answer, something's wrong.

One thing you can learn from clubs is that often the guys who are really good when they come up and talk are real predators. They are really good at saying and doing the right things to get what they want. There's women that way too. Often the guy who isn't so smooth and actually disagrees about something is a lot better guy.

One common thing guys use to manipulate is the you must be predjudiced thing. Oh, you don't want to dance with me because I of some group you hate. Then the woman falls over herself to prove him wrong. That's just one example. The hardest thing is learning to be able to tell the geniune from the fake. The fakes are so good at it sometimes.

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When we look at the reason for clubs, they are not designed to make anyone joyful and at peace.

In our clubs there is more drugs, ice, and many deaths; so why would a Christian want to flaunt their Armour in a cesspool of darkness? Why?

It's all good fun, but just because others believe that because they are a Christian that they can flaunt the dangers of the night, and the powers of darkness, with frivolity and gullibity, then they have rocks in their head, and rebellion in their heart.

A Christian has the Holy Spirit dwelling in their body.

The atmosphere of a club isn't a place for the Holy Spirit.

A club is a place of rebellion and drunkenneess. Has nothing to do with the Fruit of the Spirit, only the fruit that produces alcohol.

So, why would anyone with the Holy Spirit dwelling within would prefer to dwell in a house of evil, and darkness? Why?

I've heard many stories, and in my 71 years, anyone who reckons they can walk into the "lions" den and believe that they will never be clawed by the "roaring lion", has rocks in their head, and rebellion in their heart.

Blessings!
 
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2CO 6:13-17 ...what fellowship can light have with darkness?...What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?..."Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."

1JO 2:15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

JAM 4:4 You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

1PE 1:16 for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy." 17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.

GAL 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.



EPH 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.

1JO 3:3 Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.

1JO 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.


JOH 15:19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

COL 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.
2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.
7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived.
8 But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices
10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
COL 3:17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.


Jesus shed his blood in order to redeem us from the life of sin, and she is returning back to the "unclean" places, to the "house of inequity", where the name of God is not being glorified, where his blood is not counted as something special, where his sacrifice is counted as nothing and trampled on.
Imagine this: you have been diagnosed with leprosy (a contagious desease). But a friend of yours knew of a place where he could get a cure for you. He risked his life to get there. He was killed in order to get this cure for you. But he made sure that you got the cure. And what did you do? You drank his cure and was healed, and then went back to the colony of lepers and got infected all over again... This is exactly what people are doing, who were cleansed from their sin by the blood of Jesus, and then return back to the "houses of inequity" controlled by Satan.

1CO 10:23 "Everything is permissible" - but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible" - but not everything is constructive.
(This is where her conscience "In Jesus Christ" should tell her: this thing is not good for me. If her conscience if silent, then she is not walking in the Lord.

Like Paul said: just because we have freedom in Christ, do you think that gives us a license to sin more? NOOOO. It gives us reason to live for righteousness. The person with a carnal mind, will take the freedom and misuse it (and at the end will not be saved). The person who loves God will say: far be it from me to go back to sinful places since the Lord has redeemed me from the decease of sin.

ROM 6:1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.
6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin -
7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.
9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.
10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
13 Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness.
14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey - whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.
18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness.
20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.
21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!
22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
 
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I believe its wrong...but my sister is adamant that there is nothing wrong with going to a CLUB (dancing with friends, etc) as a christian...so long as u dont get drunk or sleep with guys u meet.
I strongly disagree...but she tells me she has been a few times and it is just a fun atmosphere and theres nothing wrong with it. She tells me as long as it does not affect her in anyway, she is right to go. She told me I ought to try it sometime, as I am 18 already.

Are there any clear bible verses I could give her to prove she should not go to clubs? That they are wrong.....or am I wrong?

Whats your christian oppinion on this matter?

It depends.

If going to dance, sing & have clean fun while listening to Christian music,
a-okay, unless conflicts with something particular God told you to do.

If going to dance, sing & have clean fun while listening to clean Non-Christian music, a-okay, as long as doing it unto God & for God with no conflict of something particular God told you to do.

If going to dance, sing & have fun while listening to UNCLEAN
Non-Christian music, w/ drinking & sex & other worldly activities, NO WAY.
Even if doing it unto God & for God with no conflict of something particular God told you to do, too easy to be tempted &/or caught in bad situation that could indanger you + reflect negatively on CHRIST & CHRISTians.
 
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It's definitely not a clear cut no no and you're not going to find any bible verses that say it is. I enjoy dancing, hanging out with my friends and drinking in moderation. Places that I go to to do this are sometimes what people would call "clubs". If you feel that any place will lead you to do something that you don't want to do and think is wrong then you probably shouldn't go. Another good question to ask is, "What is it that I want to do and is this the best place to do it?" If you want to dance you will probably find many better venues than your traditional crowded club filled with slightly drunk, leery guys. "Everyone else is going" isn't normally a very good reason.
 
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If going to a club means putting yourself in a position that is going to cause temptation then you shouldn't be there. There are many other things you could do with your time. It may not just be your opinion that its wrong, but the Holy spirit may be telling your heart that you shouldn't go. God knows what goes on in clubs and your sister may not be affected but you may be.
 
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The only clear verse in the bible that applies to this situation is the one that says If you believe something to be wrong then for you it is a sin. You believe going to clubs is wrong so for you it is indeed a sin. It is not for your sister however. The only wrong thing your sister is doing is trying to encourage you to do something you think is wrong.

I myself have been to clubs and have had no problem. I am however male so it can be different. We are instructed not to get drunk so if you do drink alcohol then make sure it is only one or two. Stick to soft drinks and water. I used to go to the pub every week with people from work and never have a alcoholic drink. They respected that just as I respected their choice.

There is also the matter of why you are going. There have been christians who have gone into the worst pubs, clubs and brothels and started ministering to people. That is how the Salvation Army started out. So I believe one can be a christian witness in these places however if you believe it is wrong then don't go would be my advice.
 
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I'm a Christian and I go clubbing. Theres nothing wrong with it in my view as long as you don't compromise your beliefs. Jesus went amongst sinners and at wedding celebrations, I don't see why as a Christian you can't go. Just getting drunk and sleeping around are the things you obviously shouldn't do. Don't let things negatively influence you though.
 
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We have two different issues here at the same time. First, whether an action is appropriate for an individual Christian. Second, how that action, right or wrong, impacts others\' perceptions of what a Christian life looks like. Does it look like we are approving things we might not be approving, such as drug use, vampirism (blood drinking -- yes, many Goth & Raver type clubs have people who do this in the back rooms) open sex in the back rooms (yes, it happens, at least in the big cities like NY and DC, and yes, the clubs look the other way or even expect it and provide for it) or a shallow party-animal lifestyle in general?

Obviously there is nothing wrong with music and dancing by themselves, so that is not the issue here. But while Jesus may have associated with sinners, etc. He did so in atmospheres where real interaction could take place between them and Himself. Tell me you can have a serious conversation over the din of a night club and I will tell you that you obviously have never gone clubbing. People don\'t go clubbing to converse with one another.

I will not sit here and try to tell anyone what to do or what decision to make. But these are the facts, and either we get real with those facts before God or we do not. Either we give our whole selves to God sacrificially or we do not. Go to Him and ask this question, and be willing to do as He leads. I personally felt I had to quit clubbing, but whatever He leads others to do is their business and I am no ones judge.
 
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For me the answer is: it depends on the clubs. I've gone to clubs with good friends (good in both senses: people who are good for me and good Christians) to enjoy music and our friendship (both gifts from God). These clubs have been filled with people wishing to do the same, clean places where everyone behaves decently.

However, so many clubs are meat markets that prey on people's worst appetites -- for me, if there's any sense the place is like that, I just won't go.
 
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