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Ask if God liked sin before Jesus and then read Hebrews 10:
29How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, who has regarded as profane the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
 
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Don't worry, God does not mind you asking these questions. We all ask them at some point, if we think deep enough to contemplate the nature of things. People have asked them and tried to come up with solid answers for thousands of years. As for the free will question, the majority of Christians who study the Word do come to the conclusion that free will is real. Of course, it's limited to our circumstances, although this can be used as an excuse, too. If your circumstances are causing you to sin, you should be looking to change them. As Jesus said, if something offends you, get rid of it. If your computer causes you to watch x rated movies, don't use the computer when you are tempted, that sort of thing.
Scripture says if we are tempted to sin, God also always provides a way out, so, no He isn't to blame. But if you do sin, we have Jesus on our side, asking for our forgiveness when we confess, and that is good news. If you are among the redeemed, sin has no control over you. The only control it has is what you give it.
 
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"Why did God create evil and sin in this world?"
You could say that that God did not create us to do evil, but that he gave us free will, so that if we choose evil, we face the consequences and it we choose good, we are rewarded with God's grace.
Two things right away:
1) God did not "create" sin.
2) We are not rewarded with God's grace if we choose to do good. (works)

We are born sinful.
Born into a fallen and sinful world.
Everything about us is sinful.
Even our self-initiated good deeds are sinful.
No one is righteous according to their own deeds. No one.
Our own self-righteous deeds are worthless.
We are condemned already at birth.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever
does not believe stands condemned already because they have
not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Is it truly bad to sin?
Yes. And unfortunately we can't help make ourselves not sin.
It is all we know. Unless...

John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes
him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged
but has crossed over from death to life.
 
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That is indeed an interesting quote. "it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God"
So if a person does good, it is on God, and if he sins, it is also on God?
Am I taking this the correct way?
 
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If it cannot be controlled, the soul is condemned, lost forever.

(serious pain, unquenchable fire and worm that eternally eats the flesh)

Indeed. So, if we can't control our sinning, can we be held responsible for it? Is it still 'bad' for us to sin?
 
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Is sinning bad?" may sound like a strange question, but I am seriously pondering it, and I would appreciate it greatly if you fellow Christians would help me out. So thanks!

One act of disoebedience in the garden made humans fall and cause the snowball effect causing hundreds of wars to this day . Yes it's serious offence because you steal the glory from God by choosing something over him and he is very jealous dictator and can't tolerate any disobedience because of his just nature as a judge . That's why he had to pay for us himself because nothing created and limited can pay for offense against unlimited eternal being.

Take this for example to better show what I'm writting about.

Child throw something at another child and it get hurt . "it's just the nature of kids " people would say , he didn't mean to hurt the other kid they were just playing .

Grown young man throw bottle at somebody at the concert . People would say that man deserve to be punished because he hurt somebody against the law. He will probably have court case if something bad happend if they find him .

Grown man is upset at politics and throws some junk in the face of president of certain country . Now he is guilty way more than the previous guy because of seriousness of that offence against somebody in power .

Finally we arrive at Man sinning against God , he sinned against eternal power so he is guilty and should be punished forever .

The punishment gradually grows depending on who commited bad act against who .
 
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It is written that God never tempts anyone to sin. If someone sins, it is because of their own desires in rebellion and opposed to God.

So, did God NOT create our own desire to rebel against him?
 
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Indeed. So, if we can't control our sinning, can we be held responsible for it? Is it still 'bad' for us to sin?
It is deadly (often eternally) . It separates from God. It hurts others and tries to get them dead in sin also.

Is that bad ?
 
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So, did God NOT create our own desire to rebel against him?
It really doesn't matter, does it.

He tells us the penalty for sin, and He provides the remedy for sin.

Your choice whether to turn to Him, to cry out to Him, to be saved from the power of sin or not.
 
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I don't believe he creates the desire to sin. Sin is addictive. We have no desire to sin till we sin.

So then where does our desire to sin come from? Was it something that God didn't create?
If so, then that would mean God didn't create EVERYTHING, right?
 
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Men have the desire to sin from the time they are born, practically if not actually. It is the normal condition of the heart if not trained in righteousness,
the heart is evil and deceptive more than anything else.

So then why would God create our evil hearts? Does he want us to sin?
 
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Do you have a g/f or wife or if not do you want one? Do you want them to love you because they have to, because they have no choice? Or would you prefer that they are with you because they choose to be with you, because they love you out of their own free will?

We are created in Gods image and I believe part of this is the desire to eb loved.
 
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I respect your opinion and belief.
My question however still lingers unanswered.
I shall figure it out one day.
 
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If God did not create our desire to sin, then where did it come from?
Also, does that mean that God did not create EVERYTHING?
 
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A brilliant answer, thank you so much. However, I do still have a few questions.
So if sin didn't come from God, then where did it come from? From the devils of Hell? But they were also created by God, right?
Also, if God didn't create sin, does that mean that God did NOT create EVERYTHING there is?
 
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That is indeed an interesting quote. "it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God"
So if a person does good, it is on God, and if he sins, it is also on God?
Am I taking this the correct way?
The "it" is salvation not deeds. So you took it the wrong way. I recommend reading it again. Then, don't say anything and just read it again. Then, just read it again. And when you've read it a hundred times, pray to God, and then read it again.
 
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A great answer. Thank you very much. I still have a question however.
If it is not external factors that ultimately control our choice to sin or not, then what is it exactly that determines 'self-determination'? What makes us humans do what we do, if not biology, thoughts, feelings, upbringing and other circumstances?
Do you mean to say that the actions of a person (the 'self') are driven by a force that God CANNOT control? But if we are completely free to make all of our own decisions, and God can't control us that way, is God really all-powerful?

This is a serious question, and I want you to know that I am against murder, of course.
Thank you in advance for your answer, my friend.
 
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Indeed. But is sin bad, if God is the one that creates the minds, thoughts, feelings, desires, actions and circumstances of sinners that lead them to sin?
God creates beings that are capable of Agape Love in His image.
Agape Love is free to create or free to destro
Indeed. But is sin bad, if God is the one that creates the minds, thoughts, feelings, desires, actions and circumstances of sinners that lead them to sin?
God creates people who are free to Love or free to destroy. Agape Love is free.
 
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Wow, thank you for the extensive answer! I really appreciate the effort!
I do still have a question though.
You say that the original sin started as one little thought of iniquity in Lucifer's mind right?
Well, if that thought did not come from God, but from himself, does that mean that there is something that God did not create or has command over?
If so, than wouldn't that mean that God (1) didn't create everything there is, and (2) isn't able to control everything in existance (not all-powerful)?

Thank you greatly in advance for your answer.
 
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