Is it true that AFI used to be a christian band?

chibitofu · Feb 26, 2007

0.o Umm,well the title was my question.I read somewhere that they did.

Johnnysquee · Feb 26, 2007

Got a link to your source? Because I find it extremely doubtful.

chibitofu · Feb 27, 2007

No,it was just a random site I was on. But I think Miss Murder sings about Jesus on the cross.

TealTuesday · Feb 27, 2007

I wouldn't say that means they ever have. If simply singing about Christ in one song put a band in that category I'd be stumped.

chibitofu · Feb 27, 2007

Well,they mentioned God in one of their songs too.

Johnnysquee · Feb 27, 2007

Marylin Manson mentioned Jesus in a song. Does that make him Christian?

pepperfish · Feb 27, 2007

Well, Davey Havok, the singer is straight edge. (I'm not sure if the other members are as well, but I know for a fact that he is). Of course, that doesn't make him a Christian, but the straight edge lifestyle shares many Christian values. I can't find anything stating that the band considers themselves a Christian band though.

Johnnysquee · Feb 27, 2007

Straight Edge is not religious. It's just a way of living.

Edit:
I also just checked the lyrics to Miss Murder. Do that, you'll see it's clearly AGAINST Jesus.

pepperfish · Feb 27, 2007

I'm aware that being Straight Edge does not equal religion. I merely said it's a lifestyle that SHARES morals with Christianity.

chibitofu · Feb 28, 2007

Edit:
I also just checked the lyrics to Miss Murder. Do that, you'll see it's clearly AGAINST Jesus.
How?

Johnnysquee · Feb 28, 2007

Miss Murder said:
Hey Miss Murder can i make beauty stay if I take my life? With just a look they shook and heavens bowed before him. Simply a look can break your heart. The stars that pierce the sky, he left them all behind. We're left to wonder why he left us all behind. Dreams of his crash won't pass. Oh, how they all adored him. Beauty will last when spiraled down. The stars that mystified, he left them all behind and how his children cried. He left us all behind. What's the hook, the twist within this verbose mystery? I would gladly bet my life upon it that this ghost you love, your ray of light will fizzle out without hope. We're the empty set just floating through, wrapped in skin, ever searching for what we were promised.. searching for that golden ring we'd never let go... but who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it? Hey Miss Murder can I make beauty stay if I take my life?

Looking at this from a religious perspective, an easy first interpretation to get is Havok speaking of how Christ abandoned his people.

chibitofu · Mar 1, 2007

Maybe he is just sad that Jesus died but doesn't know why.He needs to be educated...

Johnnysquee · Mar 1, 2007

If he doesn't know why Jesus died, can he be a Christian?

Macewindu77815 · Mar 1, 2007

Or simply he could be longing for Jesus to be here right now and wondering why sometimes life seems so hard. I know nothing about AFI, but reading those lyrics made me think of that.

Johnnysquee · Mar 1, 2007

God Called In Sick Today said:
Let's admire the pattern forming.
Murderous filigree.
I'm caught in the twisting of the vine.
Go ascend with ivy, climbing.
Ignore and leave for me the headstone crumbling behind.

(Wooahhh)
I can't help my laughter as she cries.
My soul brings tears to angelic eyes.
(Wooahh)

Let's amend the classic story, close it so beautifully,
I'll let animosity unwind.
Steal away the darkened pages, hidden so shamefully.
I'll still feel the violence of the lines.

(Wooahh)
I can't stand my laughter as they cry.
My soul brings tears to angelic eyes.
And miles away my mother cries.
Omnipotence, nurturing malevolence.

Go.

Woahoo

(Wooahh)
I can't stand my laughter as they cry.
My soul brings tears to angelic eyes.
And miles away my mother cries.
Omnipotence, nurturing malevolence.

WooahhH

The one line here that seems to be actually related to God is "Omnipotence, nurturing malevolence". Also, he mentioning of "My soul brings tears to angelic eyes" sounds as if he's got a pretty dark soul. Not to mention the song title.

One of the issues in determining is that Havok tends to write relatively amiguous lyrics, aiming for a darker sound. Sometimes he mentions God, and it could be good or bad. Another example similar to this is in System of a Down's song Toxicity. Serg and Daron actually quote Jesus in it, and it doesn't appear to be mocking or bad in any way. Daron even thanks God in the liner notes of the album. Of course, he also proceeds to thank Buddah, Allah, and Lucifer, along with Charles Manson. He thanked God directly... is he a Christian?

xChrisDEATHx · Mar 2, 2007

Being an AFI fan from way way way back Im pretty sure that they are not christian. Granted I havnt really heard much of there new stuff mainly b/c they up and decided to start sucking.

Johnnysquee · Mar 2, 2007

xChrisDEATHx said:
Being an AFI fan from way way way back Im pretty sure that they are not christian. Granted I havnt really heard much of there new stuff mainly b/c they up and decided to start sucking.

Can't deny that. Answer That and Stay Fashionable FTW.

chibitofu · Mar 2, 2007

Hmm...Well,Thank-you for the replies.It answered my question.

Johnnysquee · Mar 2, 2007

chibitofu said:
Hmm...Well,Thank-you for the replies.It answered my question.

No problem, man. I don't know if I was any help or not, but any time.

chibitofu · Mar 2, 2007

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