Is it to late for me? Have I messed everything up?

[Countryangel707]

So for about the past month, I have been having horrible curing , evil, and satanic thoughts about Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. It all started against the Spirit after reading in the Bible about the unforgivable sin. I don't want to think these thoughts but I feel like its to late for me, like my thoughts really put me beyond forgiveness. Is this true? have I really committed the unforgivable sin? Is there any hope for me to come into salvation? Is there any hope for forgiveness? I don't want to go to hell. I want so spend an eternity in Heaven with Jesus. I want to be like other strong Christians who have so much faith in Christ. I just am so confused and so frustrated. Sometimes I feel like im not worried enough about committing the unforgivable sin which means that I have. I continuously ask the Lord to have mercy on me if I have and to show me if I have. I don't want to be His enemy but instead His child. I have always been able to turn to Him in prayer and I don't want to lose that privilege. Thanks so much.

 

[Tigger45]

Our God is abounding in mercy. The fact that you even care that you lost your salvation shows you have a heart for God. May His peace be with you

 

[jacks]

"And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38-39

God is with you.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Just thoughts?

I would have to ask for specifics to understand just what took place, but off the top of my head, I'd say the blasphemy Jesus spoke of, which is nothing more than saying/claiming acts of the Holy Spirit were of the Devil, is something people say/do, not what they thought. That is, if you even thought that in the first place which is unclear at this point.

 

[Countryangel707]

Just thoughts?

I would have to ask for specifics to understand just what took place, but off the top of my head, I'd say the blasphemy Jesus spoke of, which is nothing more than saying/claiming acts of the Holy Spirit were of the Devil, is something people say/do, not what they thought. That is, if you even thought that in the first place which is unclear at this point.

yes just thoughts that i dont want to think

 

[Kenny'sID]

yes just thoughts that i dont want to think

Were they even thoughts that the acts of the Holy Spirit were of the Devil? I ask because Jesus is specific there, yet we tend to beat ourselves up and connect a lot of other things with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit when they are not, and completely forgivable. I'm guessing that's how it is in your case? No actual Blasphemy?

 

[Countryangel707]

Were they even thoughts that the acts of the Holy Spirit were of the Devil? I ask because Jesus is specific there, yet we tend to beat ourselves up and connect a lot of other things with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit when they are not, and completely forgivable. I'm guessing that's how it is in your case? No actual Blasphemy?

i thought. things similar to that of the pharisees and have cursing thoughts. but i dont. belive them and dont want to think them.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Cursing thoughts are forgivable, even words against Christ are forgivable. Similar, as you put it, may or may not be blasphemy. I'm not going to ask your exact thoughts but do give it some thought if you technically broke the rule or not...I doubt you did, but there is no way for me to know for certain.

Either way there is still the fact you just thought it and I honestly don't think that is a problem even if you did. The following verse could indicate "speaking" it is the issue, and that would make sense because that is how the harm is done.

Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

If we follow the subject closely there, it is after all about "speaking".

 

[ldonjohn]

So for about the past month, I have been having horrible curing , evil, and satanic thoughts about Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. It all started against the Spirit after reading in the Bible about the unforgivable sin. I don't want to think these thoughts but I feel like its to late for me, like my thoughts really put me beyond forgiveness. Is this true? have I really committed the unforgivable sin? Is there any hope for me to come into salvation? Is there any hope for forgiveness? I don't want to go to hell. I want so spend an eternity in Heaven with Jesus. I want to be like other strong Christians who have so much faith in Christ. I just am so confused and so frustrated. Sometimes I feel like im not worried enough about committing the unforgivable sin which means that I have. I continuously ask the Lord to have mercy on me if I have and to show me if I have. I don't want to be His enemy but instead His child. I have always been able to turn to Him in prayer and I don't want to lose that privilege. Thanks so much.

Countryangel, see posts 19 & 31 at the link below. Those 2 posts answer your questions.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/did-i-just-condemn-myself.7955805/

 

[Countryangel707]

Cursing thoughts are forgivable, even words against Christ are forgivable. Similar, as you put it, may or may not be blasphemy. I'm not going to ask your exact thoughts but do give it some thought if you technically broke the rule or not...I doubt you did, but there is no way for me to know for certain.

Either way there is still the fact you just thought it and I honestly don't think that is a problem even if you did. The following verse could indicate "speaking" it is the issue, and that would make sense because that is how the harm is done.

Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

If we follow the subject closely there, it is after all about "speaking".

could it also ne that it has to be done in a rejectful and hard hearted way?

 

[Kenny'sID]

could it also ne that it has to be done in a rejectful and hard hearted way?

I don't know, Country.... I'd hate to suggest something true or not when I might not know what I'm talking about...you/other people and some issues are too important for me to take that chance. I can say I generally just read scripture and try to take it for just exactly what it says....sometimes that is simple and sometimes not so much, but over all, it works for me.

My opinion remains the same though, in that you are very likely OK here because you spoke nothing. For example, I could talk about stealing, and in my mind plan it, even want to do it, but as long as it remains just talk or thought, I didn't do it, or am I guilty of the act or any crime.

 

[ldonjohn]

So for about the past month, I have been having horrible curing , evil, and satanic thoughts about Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. It all started against the Spirit after reading in the Bible about the unforgivable sin. I don't want to think these thoughts but I feel like its to late for me, like my thoughts really put me beyond forgiveness. Is this true? have I really committed the unforgivable sin? Is there any hope for me to come into salvation? Is there any hope for forgiveness? I don't want to go to hell. I want so spend an eternity in Heaven with Jesus. I want to be like other strong Christians who have so much faith in Christ. I just am so confused and so frustrated. Sometimes I feel like im not worried enough about committing the unforgivable sin which means that I have. I continuously ask the Lord to have mercy on me if I have and to show me if I have. I don't want to be His enemy but instead His child. I have always been able to turn to Him in prayer and I don't want to lose that privilege. Thanks so much.

Countryangel, please read the article at the link below. It explains the reason that your have not committed blasphemy.

http://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html
Countryangel, another forum member pointed out to me that the subject of the article in the link I provided in this post might not address your specific question & therefore could possibly be misleading. After spending several hours studying scripture, reading other commentaries, and looking at the original words for "blasphemy" used in God's Word I came to the conclusion that I should not recommend that article for your consideration.

Don

 

[Kenny'sID]

Countryangel, please read the article at the link below. It explains the reason that your have not committed blasphemy.

http://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html

Don

Don, unless I were 100% certain that links us to a fact, I would be careful and remember what you are dealing with here. What if you just happen to be wrong and someone ended up in Hell for an eternity because of what you led them to believe?

What you linked too doesn't add up to me at all. The Biblical unforgivable Blasphemy is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit not Jesus or specifically Jesus working with the Holy Spirit. The Bible is even specific stating us speaking against Jesus is forgivable but against the Holy Spirit...not forgivable. Your link states otherwise, in that Speaking against Jesus it the problem while the real problem is stating if *anyone* who does anything that requires the Holy Spirit is said to be doing it of the Spirit of Satan instead, is guilty. Or in short, blaming works of the Holy Spirit on the Devil, no matter who is doing the works, is a big fat no no.

The, I think very shady and shaky twist there, is the link stating that because Jesus just happen to be the one doing the work of the holy spirit at the time, meant it was only about Jesus, but it could have been anyone doing what Jesus was and the accusation would still be Blasphemy. Just that one little twist changes the whole meaning and some folks actually buy it. In my view, that crap is brought on by leaders with a new Higher Knowledge that they can get by a few folks and build a nice little congregation on that junk and the like because they are seen as a little smarter than most preachers, when the fact is they are just liars or deceived individuals that refuse to see...at least that's how I think those things get started.

Anyway, agree with my opinion on what I think of the issue and the people that spread that stuff, or not...fine, I'm not here to argue it...just sayn' be very careful.

 

[Sketcher]

I continuously ask the Lord to have mercy on me if I have and to show me if I have. I don't want to be His enemy but instead His child. I have always been able to turn to Him in prayer and I don't want to lose that privilege. Thanks so much.

"All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away." - John 6:37

God forgives you. If you had committed it, you never would have come to him for forgiving those thoughts.

 

[AvgJoe]

So for about the past month, I have been having horrible curing , evil, and satanic thoughts about Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. It all started against the Spirit after reading in the Bible about the unforgivable sin. I don't want to think these thoughts but I feel like its to late for me, like my thoughts really put me beyond forgiveness. Is this true? have I really committed the unforgivable sin? Is there any hope for me to come into salvation? Is there any hope for forgiveness? I don't want to go to hell. I want so spend an eternity in Heaven with Jesus. I want to be like other strong Christians who have so much faith in Christ. I just am so confused and so frustrated. Sometimes I feel like im not worried enough about committing the unforgivable sin which means that I have. I continuously ask the Lord to have mercy on me if I have and to show me if I have. I don't want to be His enemy but instead His child. I have always been able to turn to Him in prayer and I don't want to lose that privilege. Thanks so much.

The only unpardonable sin, in this day and age, is continued unbelief~~~> http://www.gotquestions.org/unpardonable-sin.html .

 

[Neogaia777]

So for about the past month, I have been having horrible curing , evil, and satanic thoughts about Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. It all started against the Spirit after reading in the Bible about the unforgivable sin. I don't want to think these thoughts but I feel like its to late for me, like my thoughts really put me beyond forgiveness. Is this true? have I really committed the unforgivable sin? Is there any hope for me to come into salvation? Is there any hope for forgiveness? I don't want to go to hell. I want so spend an eternity in Heaven with Jesus. I want to be like other strong Christians who have so much faith in Christ. I just am so confused and so frustrated. Sometimes I feel like im not worried enough about committing the unforgivable sin which means that I have. I continuously ask the Lord to have mercy on me if I have and to show me if I have. I don't want to be His enemy but instead His child. I have always been able to turn to Him in prayer and I don't want to lose that privilege. Thanks so much.

I have done the same in the past, thinking even that Jesus could be Satan, and confusing the two, it is not unpardonable or unforgivable... I got past it by realizing that this confusion about this Jesus already knew true truth seekers would go through as a "step" on the road to truth, but it IS NOT TRUE, but is a lie of the enemy, don't worry too much about this step, it only means your getting very close to the truth, don't give up...

I got through by the revelation from the book of John about this, in this post:

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/god-evolved.7962077/#post-70026964

Jesus is God, he is not created like the enemy, who is the "lesser serpent", but is a "co-creator", not created, like the enemy...

Jesus created the enemy, I say "lesser serpent" because God is the "greater serpent" one who deceives the deciever, but shows us the truth, the way he will catch and trap him (the enemy) in his own cunning, Read John 3:15, Remember, Moses serpent, swallowed up and devoured the egyptians serpents, the bronze serpent in the wilderness, was the "greater serpent" who if they looked up to, would heal them from the bites and poison of the lesser serpents, Prove yourself innocent as doves, yet cautious or wise as serpents...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I have done the same in the past, thinking even that Jesus could be Satan, and confusing the two, it is not unpardonable or unforgivable... I got past it by realizing that this confusion about this Jesus already knew true truth seekers would go through as a "step" on the road to truth, but it IS NOT TRUE, but is a lie of the enemy, don't worry too much about this step, it only means your getting very close to the truth, don't give up...

I got through by the revelation from the book of John about this, in this post:

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/god-evolved.7962077/#post-70026964

Jesus is God, he is not created like the enemy, who is the "lesser serpent", but is a "co-creator", not created, like the enemy...

Jesus created the enemy, I say "lesser serpent" because God is the "greater serpent" one who deceives the deciever, but shows us the truth, the way he will catch and trap him (the enemy) in his own cunning, Read John 3:15, Remember, Moses serpent, swallowed up and devoured the egyptians serpents, the bronze serpent in the wilderness, was the "greater serpent" who if they looked up to, would heal them from the bites and poison of the lesser serpents, Prove yourself innocent as doves, yet cautious or wise as serpents...

God Bless!

God is the "greater" wiser serpent, the enemy wields what he thinks is truth, but is a lie, and he tries to deceive us with many lies, to confuse, confound and distract us from even the truth that he thinks he has, but is a lie, because he is selfish, and does not wish to share his glory with us, and does not want us even the truth that he thinks he has, to be known by us... But God, who wields the real truth, that the enemy and many of us, believe is a lie, wields real truth in a mystery, a mystery which confounds and confuses the enemy, and unfortunately, many of us in the process, but NOT impossible for us humans to know or discern, with his help, and God want's and will and does help us to find, for he want's us to find it, it is his hidden treasure for us... to discover and find, but you must have a map to the treasure spot, which is God's word, and be willing to take out your shovel and dig to uncover it...

We are all getting close to this, and the enemy is in a panic, for God's truth when it becomes fully known and exposed, will save us, but condemn him...

The road to truth, is very scary and fearful, and confounding and confusing, and full of lies, that can easily deceive and carry you off the straight and narrow path, distract you from the way, for it is hidden in the dark, and shrouded in a divine mystery, I can only tell you that the only way out, is straight through... Don't give up, pray always and continually, take courage, have no fear, face the dark and go straight through it and find the true light on the other side of it...

 

[WonkyDonkey]

Stay strong and read the Bible.
They key is read, read, read.
The more you read the Holy text, the less these negative thoughts will be.

I'm not a Christian, however I do read the Bible as it interests me; I am not afraid to say that I do not bare any negative thoughts when reading it - actually it brings a tear to my eye.

Pssst, don't tell anyone I said that.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Stay strong and read the Bible.
They key is read, read, read.
The more you read the Holy text, the less these negative thoughts will be.

I'm not a Christian, however I do read the Bible as it interests me; I am not afraid to say that I do not bare any negative thoughts when reading it - actually it brings a tear to my eye.

Pssst, don't tell anyone I said that.

Ephesians 5.26 speaks of 'the washing of water by the word'.

 

[aiki]

So for about the past month, I have been having horrible curing , evil, and satanic thoughts about Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. It all started against the Spirit after reading in the Bible about the unforgivable sin. I don't want to think these thoughts but I feel like its to late for me, like my thoughts really put me beyond forgiveness. Is this true?

No. Do you want it to be? The nature of obsessive thinking is often that one focuses on the thing one fears the most, dreading it coming to pass. What could be worse than committing the unforgivable sin and so being well and truly cut-off forever from God? Obsessive thinking is a symptom of fear, of anxiety. What is the cure for fear? Trust. Trust in God. You fear because you don't trust. And you don't trust because you don't understand God's love for you. What did the prophet Isaiah write?

Isaiah 26:3-4
3 You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is stayed on You, Because he trusts in You.
4 Trust in the Lord forever, For in Yah, the Lord, is everlasting strength.

How can fixing (or "staying") our mind on God bring perfect peace? What is it about God that could cause in us such peace? Well, there's His power to control all things. There's also His perfect knowledge of everything. Most of all, though, it is the knowledge that God cares about us, that He loves us very deeply, and that we can therefore trust Him always to be good to us that fosters in us a deep sense of calm and peace. Do you trust God? Your fear reveals that you don't. And this reveals in turn that you have a love problem with your Maker. You're stressing out about the unforgivable sin but your REAL problem is why you don't love and trust your Heavenly Father. The apostle John wrote that "perfect love casts out fear," and that "there is no fear in love" (1Jn. 4:18). He also wrote:

1 John 4:15-16
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

If you want to rid yourself of the fear that is provoking the obsessive thinking you've developed about the "unforgivable sin," you must come to recognize and accept the awesome love God has for you, and relax into it, and trust Him. When you are convinced that God loves you, when you know it in the core of who you are, fear will find no ground in you. Ask God to show you His love, to reveal it in all its fullness to you. And keep asking until He does. Get into the Bible and soak your mind in the truth of it concerning God's love for you. This is the way to be free of your fear and the silly obsession you've taken up about the unforgivable sin.

Here are few verses to consider:

1 John 4:9-10
9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.
10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Romans 8:31-32
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?

Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Selah.