Is it time for Donald to bow out? (MOVED)

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2016

kingskid said:
You actually have made me a bit angry trying some guilt trip against our God given right to vote! Yes the Lord tells us to be angry and sin not!

As I stated God has allowed these two for a purpose. We need to look deeper for the heart of God for our vote. What is God's heart for the unborn and Israel? Trump is the one saying he will stand by this.

That does in no way mean Trump will win.

As stated God often allows evil for His purposes. I suppose you might be one that feels evil men crucifying our Lord was not God's plan. The Lord Himself said not my will but God's be done. That is the way we approach this difficult vote. Pray God's will over it as you cast your vote.

Don't listen to the accusers trying to stop your God given right to vote!

While God can manipulate evil (that is already in existence) for His good purposes, we are not God to do the same. We are not to involve ourselves in worldly matters or to place into power sinful world leaders. Our focus as Christians is to follow Jesus and live righteously and it is not to follow the ways of the world (which can be sinful). Yes, obey those laws of the land that do not conflict with God's laws, but we as believers are not to blindly obey the governement when they tell us to do something that we know is wrong according to God's laws. For the Scriptures also say, "We ought to obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29). For it is why Daniel's three friends, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego had disobeyed the law of their own government in bowing down to a statue of their own king.

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Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2016

" And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." (Romans 12:2).

"...and to keep himself unspotted from the world." (James 1:27).

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." (James 4:4).

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:8).

"Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you." (1 John 3:13).

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." (1 John 2:16).

18 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also." (John 15:18-20).

"And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." (1 John 2:17).

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kingskid · Oct 23, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Both Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13-15 are in regards to submitting yourself to governements in regards to matters of justice and in keeping laws that are truly good and peaceful. These passage are not talking about voting in (or placing into power) sinful world leaders or partaking in other political matters that make us side with the world whereby it would conflict with God's laws.

Here is the context:

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well."
(1 Peter 2:13-14).

1 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil"
(Romans 13:1-4).

God cannot side with a person who sides with others who do evil.
It doesn't work like that.
That would be like hiring somebody to kill for you and then saying you did not have anything to do with killing anybody because you did not do the actual killing yourself.
It's no different when you side with worldly leaders who have sinful policies.

Hence, why you are angry and not at peace about this.
You feel it is your God given duty to vote for worldly sinful leaders, when nothing could be further from the truth.

https://www.usa.church/5-bible-verses-explain-why-voting-for-trump-and-clinton-is-sin/

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Who said God sides with evil? He uses allowed evil for good. He has these two in their place in government for a reason. Voting is a God given right. He uses the hearts of Kings and turns them as He will.

We never side with evil when we pray one prayer. God, your will be done. Since it is either Hillary or Trump, then one or the other is God's will.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2016

kingskid said:
Who said God sides with evil? He uses allowed evil for good. He has these two in their place in government for a reason. Voting is a God given right. He uses the hearts of Kings and turns them as He will.

We never side with evil when we pray one prayer. God, your will be done. Since it is either Hillary or Trump, then one or the other is God's will.

Again, God manipulating evil for His good purpose is not the same as one of His saints in siding with the ways of the world. We are not God.

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Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2016

Paul says this about Demas,

"For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world," (2 Timothy 4:10).

To me, voting sounds like one is taking a step in the direction of loving the world and the things that are in it. But you can believe whatever you want to believe.

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kingskid · Oct 23, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Paul says this about Demas,

"For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world," (2 Timothy 4:10).

To me, voting sounds like one is taking a step in the direction of loving the world and the things that are in it. But you can believe whatever you want to believe.

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We know without a doubt that God sets up government. We also know whichever is put in place will punish evil. It can take different forms..like Hillary letting in terrorists that throw gays off buildings, or Trump locking Hillary and the Clinton machine in jail.

Whichever we know that all things work toward good for those that love God and are called for His purpose. I know I love God and I know I have been called. To stop the darts against God given rights and to vote as God lays on my heart.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2016

kingskid said:
We know without a doubt that God sets up government. We also know whichever is put in place will punish evil. It can take different forms..like Hillary letting in terrorists that throw gays off buildings, or Trump locking Hillary and the Clinton machine in jail.

Whichever we know that all things work toward good for those that love God and are called for His purpose. I know I love God and I know I have been called. To stop the darts against God given rights and to vote as God lays on my heart.

Read the article link I provided and then pray about it.

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kingskid · Oct 23, 2016

Even so come Lord Jesus.

Aldebaran · Oct 23, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Paul says this about Demas,

"For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world," (2 Timothy 4:10).

To me, voting sounds like one is taking a step in the direction of loving the world and the things that are in it. But you can believe whatever you want to believe.

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Would you say that choosing between two different non-Christian employers to work for is also a step toward loving the world and the things in it?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2016

Aldebaran said:
Would you say that choosing between two different non-Christian employers to work for is also a step toward loving the world and the things in it?

Jesus was a carpenter. Paul was a tent maker. There is nothing wrong with having a job as long as one does not break God's laws in the process of doing that job. Please take note there are sinful jobs that are legal. So it is not the same thing as placing into power a sinful person to lead this country by voting for them.

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kingskid · Oct 24, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Jesus was a carpenter. Paul was a tent maker. There is nothing wrong with having a job as long as one does not break God's laws in the process of doing that job. Please take note there are sinful jobs that are legal. So it is not the same thing as placing into power a sinful person to lead this country by voting for them.

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There is no authority that is not ordained but by God.

God will place one or the other into power and He does it, in America, by people voting.

You are basically blaming God. One of these two are God's will for our country, at this time.

We vote while praying God's will in the matter. So go ahead and blame God all you wish. I'm through discussing it with you.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 24, 2016

kingskid said:
There is no authority that is not ordained but by God.

God will place one or the other into power and He does it, in America, by people voting.

You are basically blaming God. One of these two are God's will for our country, at this time.

We vote while praying God's will in the matter. So go ahead and blame God all you wish. I'm through discussing it with you.

Uh, no. God manipulating evil or worldly governments for His ultimate good that is already in existence does not mean God wants us to partake of evil or worldly things ourselves. There are things that God can do that we cannot do. In other words, just because God had a plan in using the evil done against Joseph by his brothers (i.e. by their selling him into slavery and making their father think Joseph was dead) does not mean God wanted Joseph's brothers to act in such a sinful way.

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Aldebaran · Oct 24, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Jesus was a carpenter. Paul was a tent maker. There is nothing wrong with having a job as long as one does not break God's laws in the process of doing that job. Please take note there are sinful jobs that are legal. So it is not the same thing as placing into power a sinful person to lead this country by voting for them.

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I wasn't asking about the job itself. I was asking about the employer. If you have 2 to choose between, and they are both non-believers, then are you choosing between the lesser of 2 evils when deciding which one to work for?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 24, 2016

Aldebaran said:
I wasn't asking about the job itself. I was asking about the employer. If you have 2 to choose between, and they are both non-believers, then are you choosing between the lesser of 2 evils when deciding which one to work for?

Most companies are focused on making money. This making of money is by providing a product or service. While certain companies may not have high Biblical standards that may line up exactly with God's Word perfectly, they usually do not ask you to do anything majorily immoral like hurting somebody, or to indulge in immoral sexual behavior, or to lie, or to steal, etc. Just because you work for a company does not mean you agree with everything it does, too. You are there to earn a paycheck and trade hours for dollars (or your Monday thru Friday time for a yearly salary) and not to endorse your company as being the best thing since sliced bread (in most cases - unless you are in sales).

But it is different when you vote. For you are placing a person into power fully knowing both the bad and the good that they are going to do. In a job, while your working there does help the company, it does not mean you are promoting or giving power to everything that the company does ethically. Besides, the ethics issues within a company (for a Christian) are not as grave or serious as say a Christian backing a person who who is going to do sinful things to our land on a national scale. So no. It's not the same thing, pally.

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Aldebaran · Oct 24, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Most companies are focused on making money. This making of money is by providing a product or service. While certain companies may not have high Biblical standards that may line up exactly with God's Word perfectly, they usually do not ask you to do anything majorily immoral like hurting somebody, or to indulge in immoral sexual behavior, or to lie, or to steal, etc.

Trump isn't asking me to do those things either.

Jason0047 said:
Just because you work for a company does not mean you agree with everything it does, too. You are there to earn a paycheck and trade hours for dollars (or your Monday thru Friday time for a yearly salary) and not to endorse your company as being the best thing since sliced bread (in most cases - unless you are in sales).

Working for them is supporting them. At 8 hours a day, that's quite a bit more support than casting a single vote.

Jason0047 said:
But it is different when you vote. For you are placing a person into power fully knowing both the bad and the good that they are going to do.

Not true at all.

Jason0047 said:
In a job, while your working there does help the company, it does not mean you are promoting or giving power to all the things that you do not like about it ethically;

It most certainly does! For that very reason, you would never see me out campaigning for Hillary Clinton in order to get paid for doing so.

Jason0047 said:
And usually ethics issues at a company are not as grave or serious as say backing a person you know is going to do things to our country that are really really bad. So no. It's not the same thing, pally.

That's why I want to vote....to prevent a certain woman who has already said she would do things that I believe are "really really bad".

kingskid · Oct 24, 2016

Aldebaran said:
Trump isn't asking me to do those things either.

Working for them is supporting them. At 8 hours a day, that's quite a bit more support than casting a single vote.

Not true at all.

It most certainly does! For that very reason, you would never see me out campaigning for Hillary Clinton in order to get paid for doing so.

That's why I want to vote....to prevent a certain woman who has already said she would do things that I believe are "really really bad".

Vote against the really bad. It doesn't matter what certain people think. Just do what you can to save life.

Aldebaran · Oct 25, 2016

kingskid said:
Vote against the really bad. It doesn't matter what certain people think. Just do what you can to save life.

I will. Voting for Trump as a vote against Hillary is about all I can do. But with my state being at a 15% advantage for Hillary anyway, she'll no doubt win my state. The Democrat always wins my state.

What gets me is all these people who know what Hillary has planned, but they're going to vote for her anyway, or just not vote at all. They'll be the same people who don't like Obama and complained about him, but wait until the following election to end up not even casting a vote.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 26, 2016

Aldebaran said:
Trump isn't asking me to do those things either.

Working for them is supporting them. At 8 hours a day, that's quite a bit more support than casting a single vote.

Not true at all.

It most certainly does! For that very reason, you would never see me out campaigning for Hillary Clinton in order to get paid for doing so.

That's why I want to vote....to prevent a certain woman who has already said she would do things that I believe are "really really bad".

Not partaking in debating this with you anymore. Believe whatever you like. All things will be revealed in it's time (And you will see where I am coming from).

May God bless you.
And please be well.

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Aldebaran · Oct 27, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Not partaking in debating this with you anymore. Believe whatever you like. All things will be revealed in it's time (And you will see where I am coming from).

May God bless you.
And please be well.

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Some things sooner than others. People voted for Obama because they believed it was some sort of "social justice" to do so, and they believed he would bring us all together. Now we have more racial division than ever, not to mention a completely messed up health care system that is now about to collapse. Are you willing to condemn all the people who voted for him because they didn't think a rich guy like Romney could relate to them?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 27, 2016

That has nothing to do with what I said.

Anyways, may the LORD bless you.

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Is it time for Donald to bow out? (MOVED)

I think Trump should:

Step down from the candidacy

Continue to run

Not sure at this point

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