Is it time for Donald to bow out? (MOVED)

[Major1]

I'm not afraid.

No one is until they get that letter in the mail.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I don't agree. Good people can hurt other people unintentionally in the process of trying to do something good. I wouldn't blame them for an accident. They can ask for forgiveness or not but they will have to live with the consequences and hopefully, learn from them. We are not perfect but I think sometimes some people use that as an excuse to just do what they want without regard for who they hurt. But what are our courts for if not to settle matters whether we agree with their decisions or not?

I see you are conflating negligent with unintentional; they are not the same thing.....

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/criminal-negligence-laws.html
What is Criminal Negligence?
Under some criminal law statutes, criminal negligence is defined as any type of conduct that “grossly deviates” from normal, reasonable standards of an ordinary person. It generally involves an indifference or disregard for human life or for the safety of people. Sometimes the definition for criminal negligence also requires a failure to recognize unjustifiable risks associated with the conduct.

Examples of criminally negligent behavior may include knowingly allowing a child to be in very dangerous conditions, or driving in an extremely irresponsible way. Criminal negligence is less serious than intentional or reckless conduct. Generally, reckless conduct involves a knowing disregard of risks, while negligence involves an unawareness of the risks.

While you are entitled to forgive a person for whatever they have done the law has an obligation to mete out justice.....even over your objections.

 

[momto3girls]

No one is until they get that letter in the mail.

I've been through it more than once. Not a big deal if you're an honest person.

 

[Randalll]

To endorse either of them is to endorse the sinful things that they do currently and will do with their sinful worldly policies. ...

You are looking at this whole thing the wrong way. If your house is burning down, do you reject the only man showing up with a fire truck because he lies and may be a nominal Christian at best?

The role for Trump is to defeat the atheist elite traitors who are trying to destroy what is left of America. Let's keep his job title down on that level rather than wishing for or expecting him to meet our rather strict moral exam. Save that test for a potential husband / wife. Can he put out the fire? Maybe so. Is anyone else offering to even try? Not one man on this planet. So the house either for certain burns down with Hillary or might get partially saved with Donald Trump.

 

[momto3girls]

I see you are conflating negligent with unintentional; they are not the same thing.....

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/criminal-negligence-laws.html
What is Criminal Negligence?
Under some criminal law statutes, criminal negligence is defined as any type of conduct that “grossly deviates” from normal, reasonable standards of an ordinary person. It generally involves an indifference or disregard for human life or for the safety of people. Sometimes the definition for criminal negligence also requires a failure to recognize unjustifiable risks associated with the conduct.

Examples of criminally negligent behavior may include knowingly allowing a child to be in very dangerous conditions, or driving in an extremely irresponsible way. Criminal negligence is less serious than intentional or reckless conduct. Generally, reckless conduct involves a knowing disregard of risks, while negligence involves an unawareness of the risks.

While you are entitled to forgive a person for whatever they have done the law has an obligation to mete out justice.....even over your objections.

Well there's your difference between Trump and Clinton then. Clinton is guilty of negligence while Trump is guilty of reckless conduct, which you, yourself said was more serious. Case closed.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Well there's your difference between Trump and Clinton then. Clinton is guilty of negligence while Trump is guilty of reckless conduct, which you, yourself said was more serious. Case closed.

Touche'

 

[momto3girls]

You are looking at this whole thing the wrong way. If your house is burning down, do you reject the only man showing up with a fire truck because he lies and may be a nominal Christian at best?

The role for Trump is to defeat the atheist elite traitors who are trying to destroy what is left of America. Let's keep his job title down on that level rather than wishing for or expecting him to meet our rather strict moral exam. Save that test for a potential husband / wife. Can he put out the fire? Maybe so. Is anyone else offering to even try? Not one man on this planet. So the house either for certain burns down with Hillary or might get partially saved with Donald Trump.

I disagree. Trump has no background of helping out anybody. Noone knows whether or not he will do anything to help. And his immorality adds to the doubt. I don't require the candidate to be a Christian. I just want a president who is a moral person, who wants to help EVERYONE, not just those who agree with him, who has respect for ALL life, who doesn't base their judgement of women on their looks, who doesn't call ANYONE names. I don't think that's too much to expect. And it isn't only politics that is rampant with corruption. Business is just as bad, of which Trump is a part. If you're looking for real change, you'd be better off looking at a 3rd party candidate. If you're looking for someone to hire, at least look at their qualifications. As a former business owner, I can confirm that you do have to look at their past as well as check references, to determine whether to hire, right or wrong.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You are looking at this whole thing the wrong way. If your house is burning down, do you reject the only man showing up with a fire truck because he lies and may be a nominal Christian at best?

The role for Trump is to defeat the atheist elite traitors who are trying to destroy what is left of America. Let's keep his job title down on that level rather than wishing for or expecting him to meet our rather strict moral exam. Save that test for a potential husband / wife. Can he put out the fire? Maybe so. Is anyone else offering to even try? Not one man on this planet. So the house either for certain burns down with Hillary or might get partially saved with Donald Trump.

Well, that is a bad or incorrect analogy. Voting for a president is not the same as accepting help from a fire fighter who you do not know. For you are not endorsing a fire fighter by accepting their help (even if you knew the fire fighter and you knew they were sinful). They are merely helping you in that moment. You are not endorsing a fire fighter's past evil by accepting their current good that they are doing in that moment. But it is different with voting for a sinful candidate. For you know before hand what sinful behaviors you are siding with (or supporting) and what evil policies you are backing when you choose to vote for a particular sinful person. Your vote is an endorsement of that person and their policies as a whole (Whether you like it or not). For you are putting that person into power to do both good and evil. That is not the case when you accept help from a fire fighter. Your not voting for a fire fighter to impliment sinful policies and you are not putting them into power to potentially do sinful things by their current sinful bad behavior by your accepting their help from being burned within a building.


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[VanillaSunflowers]

No, I don't believe it is time for him to bow out.

However, I do believe he should file a lawsuit against Jessica Leeds and everyone, including the New York Times, as he's promised to do in the papers case, for their slander and defamation of his character in the airplane groping fabrication.
Below is an article found and posted by member Simply Put.
Leed's story made zero sense. Now I know why besides the fact the story was poorly told.

FIGURES. Trump Accuser in NYT Hit Piece Linked to Clinton Foundation
Jim Hoft Oct 13th, 2016


And from that article: NY Times Gets Punked=> Fake Groping Victim Used Velvet Underground Song to Describe Trumped-Up Attack

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The role for Trump is to defeat the atheist elite traitors who are trying to destroy what is left of America. Let's keep his job title down on that level rather than wishing for or expecting him to meet our rather strict moral exam. Save that test for a potential husband / wife. Can he put out the fire? Maybe so. Is anyone else offering to even try? Not one man on this planet. So the house either for certain burns down with Hillary or might get partially saved with Donald Trump.

But Trump is not really a believer in Jesus Christ. He is an unbeliever who is no better than an atheist by his professed life that he lives. His sinful behavior would be in my opinion worse for this country because he is a bully and he thinks his sinful behavior is excusable. That to me means that the rest of America can act the same way. Trump's reply to his not paying taxes makes him smart. What about the rest of us poor saps who pay taxes? Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose voters. I am sorry. Leaders do not make jokes about murdering others with no consequences. If they even joke about doing a thing like that, then that means that they could potentially do something immoral during their future leadership of this country and not make a big deal out of it. It's why he was not truly repentant or broken up about his sexual talk about women. He thinks they are sex objects. He does not care about people but himself. He is angry and volatile and should not be anywhere near nuclear codes. While Hillary is no better, she is far more fit to at least run this country without acting blatantly sinful like Trump (Especially during the Presidential debates). He is not cool headed but angry all the time. Not answering people's questions but always insulting people. That is not the Jesus I know. He is more like a potential Hitler in my opinion. But there is hope for him (Just as much is there is hope for Hillary). Both candidates can repent and turn to Jesus Christ and lead a changed and new life in Him. So I am praying for them both instead of voting for them. For me, it is the more Godly more Christian solution (If you want to truly follow the Bible and be like Jesus). For Jesus never involved Himself in politics or voting for worldly leaders. For Jesus is our example in how we are to live here (And it is not in our own thoughts or ways of how we think we should live).


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[Randalll]

I disagree. Trump has no background of helping out anybody.

Inaccurate. Again you leave the impression of having been paying too little attention during this election, or at best getting news from the professional liars in the liberal atheist media. Plenty have stepped forward to praise Donald Trump for helping them in large ways.

And his immorality adds to the doubt.

Since you are getting news from liars, the proper balance of Democrat evil is missing in your calculations.

I don't require the candidate to be a Christian. I just want a president who is a moral person,

Burning house, fireman.

who wants to help EVERYONE,

That is not the President's job.

who doesn't base their judgement of women on their looks,

Burning house, fireman.

who doesn't call ANYONE names.

Welcome to Wonderland, Alice. Now let's talk about getting real.

I don't think that's too much to expect.

The alternative is a lying traitor who IS laboring to finish the murder of America through inviting our enemies in the millions to live here.

If you're looking for real change, you'd be better off looking at a 3rd party candidate.

That is glossy-eyed idealism. There are only TWO people in this game. ONE of those two WILL win. The real problem beyond your unrealistic idealism is lack of understanding how this is going to be the LAST election from which America can be rescued. If Hillary wins, the country is done. But you might need a few years to realize that.

As a former business owner, I can confirm that you do have to look at their past as well as check references, to determine whether to hire, right or wrong.

Burning house, fireman. Get real here. Save the rest for writing a children's book.

 

[Randalll]

But Trump is not really a believer in Jesus Christ.

Neither was Cyrus or Nebuchednezzer.

He is an unbeliever who is no better than an atheist by his professed life that he lives.

If you want America to survive, you vote for the best of two candidates. Since only ONE of them wants to protect the country while the other is trying to murder this nation, there remains now question of which should be supported.

His sinful behavior would be in my opinion worse for this country

Only if you pretend contrary to reality that the sin of Hillary is better.

because he is a bully and he thinks his sinful behavior is excusable.

You are worrying about sin while the house is burning down. First let the only man with a firetruck save the house. Then go looking for an inspiring Bible teacher you can feel good about.

That to me means that the rest of America can act the same way.

Somehow you seem oblivious to the reality that Democrats, even with Trump's awful behavior, are 50 times worse.

Trump's reply to his not paying taxes makes him smart.

Figuring out how to prevent liberals from stealing your money IS smart. Plus the laws are there for a reason. They are LEGAL. And YOU would use them to save money as well. Try to avoid imagining your halo to be brighter than it is.

What about the rest of us poor saps who pay taxes?

You are uninformed about the tax we are discussing. It pertains to getting a chance to write down LOSSES. Meaning first he had to lose money. Then the fed says, okay, we won't charge you taxes for the money you LOST. A very fair arrangement. Don't let the silly Marxist teachers in our government schools and the liars in the media teach you to resent those earning more money.

Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose voters. I am sorry. Leaders do not make jokes about murdering others with no consequences.

You seem oblivious to the choice here. TWO fighters in the ring. One of them is a god-mocking rape-enabling liar who got people killed, then lied to their families. She smeared the women sexually assaulted by her husband. Plus she is one of the gang MURDERING America. If the liars at CBS ABC NBC NPR NYT were to blast the truth about her the way they have done so with Trump, you would be in shock and grateful that someone only as bad as Trump were available.

If they even joke about doing a thing like that, then that means that they could potentially do something immoral during their future leadership

Something is broken in your sense of humor device.

It's why he was not truly repentant or broken up about his sexual talk about women. He thinks they are sex objects.

House is burning down. Democrats are lighting matches. Donald Trump has a firetruck. You want a large interview about his morals before letting him crank up the hose?

He does not care about people but himself.

You don't know that.

He is angry and volatile and should not be anywhere near nuclear codes.

Hillary is MORE angry and volatile. You would know that if getting real news from places like newsbusters, breitbart, drudge, wnd and more.

While Hillary is no better, she is far more fit to at least run this country without acting blatantly sinful like Trump (Especially during the Presidential debates).

She is both a better liar AND protected by the professional liars in the liberal media who you seem to rely on for learning about the world.

That is not the Jesus I know.

That statement right there proves that you are not mature enough in the faith or citizenship to vote at all.

He is more like a potential Hitler in my opinion.

We have just spent 8 years with a man much closer to Hitler. You didn't even know it.

For Jesus never involved Himself in politics or voting for worldly leaders.

Yet God gave power to Cyrus, a non-Christian king, for helping save Israel.

Sorry, but you appear to be in need of logic training along with greater understanding of the Bible. Your wishes for life have obscured reality. You could be a nice person, though completely useless in the war for this country, for the freedoms we pretty much already no longer enjoy. Most Christians won't even protect their own kids from Satanic schools or stand up against towering liars who run CBS ABC NBC NPR etc. But they can often be heard talking about how nice Christians should act. Quite a disconnect.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, I don't believe it is time for him to bow out.

However, I do believe he should file a lawsuit against Jessica Leeds and everyone, including the New York Times, as he's promised to do in the papers case, for their slander and defamation of his character in the airplane groping fabrication.
Below is an article found and posted by member Simply Put.
Leed's story made zero sense. Now I know why besides the fact the story was poorly told.

FIGURES. Trump Accuser in NYT Hit Piece Linked to Clinton Foundation
Jim Hoft Oct 13th, 2016


And from that article: NY Times Gets Punked=> Fake Groping Victim Used Velvet Underground Song to Describe Trumped-Up Attack

It seems like "women who were abused" are always trotted out when their opponent gets desperate. It happened to Herman Cain too. The women kept coming out against him until he dropped out of the primaries in the last election cycle. After that, they didn't pursue him anymore. If Trump loses this election, I guarantee that we won't hear another word from these women going after Trump. If he wins the election, then the media will use them throughout his 4 year term.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I disagree. Trump has no background of helping out anybody.

This took 5 seonds to google......
http://ijr.com/2015/11/461306-these...donald-trump-than-just-his-celebrity-persona/

 

[momto3girls]

Show me some examples of his "helping them in large ways." (which sounds an awful lot like a Trump quote btw)

I am not getting my news from "liars." I am looking into as many claims as I possibly can - on both sides - as they come up, trying to find the truth. But then Trump opens his mouth and again, adds to the garbage. It's impossible to keep up!

What's wrong with wanting America to be a "Wonderland?" I've always believed in setting expectations high in order to get the best from people. What about Trump's promise to "make America great again?" If he's not going to give details on what defines great, I'm forced to put in my own and make my decisions accordingly.
As far as your burning house analogy, I agree with Jason007, momentary vs. long term.

And a Hillary Clinton win causing the end of the country = your opinion. That happens to be mine with a Trump win. I feel like Hillary will at least know enough to surround herself with knowledgeable people to help her, Trump only wants people who agree with him and who stroke his ego. (Again, I am not a Democrat or a Clinton supporter but I'm starting to doubt my opposition to them after what's gone on with the whole primary race, Republican debates and the whole Trump movement.)

Lastly, I thought we were having a respectful discussion but your final comment was very condescending and Trumplike. I feel I have been respectful of other's opinions even when we disagree but your comments were not respectful. But I guess that's the way you Trumpians believe it should be. After all, I'm "just a woman." I'm out.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Are you actually reading what is posted.....#654

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This took 5 seonds to google......
http://ijr.com/2015/11/461306-these...donald-trump-than-just-his-celebrity-persona/

I do not see Trump helping people if there is no profit in it for himself in some way. His attitude on camera suggests otherwise. The article sounds completely outside his character. The article might as well say that we have seen Trump saving a kitten from a burning tree. Besides, let's say it is true and he has helped people. He could have easily done these things as a part of his pre-run for president so as to make himself look good. All I can go by is what I see on camera. The guy is hateful, insulting, a bully, and immoral with his words. He also does not appear to understand the political situation. He also does not have any plans that are good either. I mean a wall to keep out Mexicans? Really?


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[momto3girls]

Are you actually reading what is posted.....#654

This is a reply to #651

 

[civilwarbuff]

just smh.......

 

[Bible Highlighter]

And I am shaking my head at plans to build an actual wall to keep people out.

Bad idea.


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