is it science or is it faith...

[archaeologist]

you are going to the extreme

So essentially you're saying if people don't share your opinions on God and the Bible they're against God?
I don't know if you even see this is what your saying because this is what you're saying and this is being arrogant by believing your right and we are all wrong.

no, it has nothing to do with me, but what God has said in His word. it is not me that is saying everyone else is wrong, i have stuck to scripture and have asked for scripture that proves it supports evolutionary thinking.

none have come.

i am not arrogant, you have your own choices to make and i am presenting what the Bible says, nothing else.

I feel you take everything literally

not at all.

And the TE's that believe God used Evolution to create,are they against God?

where is the source for the theory of evolution? it is found anywhere in the Bible in any of the creation scriptures. sure one can read into a few verses but you have to dealwith the reality of Exodus whihis very clear it was 6 days.

the only way around that is to change God's word where it doesn't warrant changing. we also have 3000 years of scholarly translation to present, if it wasn't true, God would have changed it by now.

the evidence is in the facts.

Do snakes eat dust?

anyone who has crawled on the ground for any length of time knows the answer to that.

Actually,don't answer these questions you may only make a fool of yourself

why?

atheist can have morals but where do they originate from--God. someone had toteach the atheist whatwas right or wrong when they were a child.

P.S. a lotof what you ask delves into deep theological issues, God said friendship with the world is enmity with God, you must ask yourself what that friendship means to you. God asks you to do it His way, if you are a christian, because there is a purpose in that request and one has to let go of selfish desires to see what that purpose is.

 

[Assyrian]

no, it has nothing to do with me, but what God has said in His word. it is not me that is saying everyone else is wrong, i have stuck to scripture and have asked for scripture that proves it supports evolutionary thinking.

none have come.

i am not arrogant, you have your own choices to make and i am presenting what the Bible says, nothing else.

Originally Posted by Mallon
Scientifically, we cannot know whether God exists or not. Science is agnostic.

Originally Posted by archaeologist
there is no neutrality with God. He states it very clearly--'you are either for Me or against Me..." Mt. 12:30
jesus said 'you can't serve two masters' it is an either or situation here (mt. 6:24ff)

You claim to stick to scripture but you add into it loads of stuff that isn't there.

Matt 12:30 He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.

Jesus is talking about people being for him or against him. When you you take a statement about people not being neutral about God, and apply it to science being neutral, you are adding to scripture. Does mathematics tell us God exists? If it does not is mathematics against God? What about cookery or ship building? None of them say anything about God, does that mean they are against God?

As with so many of your bible quotes they do not say what you claim. You give us you opinion and claim it is what the bible says.

 

[archaeologist]

again you resort to the absurd to try and make your case that you can do science the secular way. i have not added anything in. th escripture is very clear, yu are the one looking for excuses to follow what you want and ignore what God wants.

i am not even going to dignify the rest with a response as it is very plain that you do not take things seriously. the ramifications are deeper and wider than you realize but you ignore those as well.

 

[eolculnamo2]

that we are to use when we believe God's word?

the following quote got me to thinking about that question (from crawfish):



in light of Hebrews chapter 11--what is your opinion?

Science and Religion are tied in together. Faith is obviously the greater of the two because you don't need science to believe.

John 20:29:
Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

However, today many people will not believe based on faith, so it's necessary that "they see God" by showing them scientific evidence that he does exist.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. -Albert Einstein

I agree with Einstein though, if science disagrees with your religion over and over again, there's either something wrong with what you're doing or with the religion itself.

That's why atheists have a hard time in the debate forums

 

[eolculnamo2]

Ooo I see you guys are debating something, well nevermind that last post.

 

[archaeologist]

However, today many people will not believe based on faith, so it's necessary that "they see God" by showing them scientific evidence that he does exist.

faith not science is God's requirement, take it up with Him.

 

[eolculnamo2]

faith not science is God's requirement, take it up with Him.

Yes, but for some people to have faith, science is necessary.

I never said that science was a requirement, it's really a tool of evangelism and something to comfort a Christian in time of doubt.

 

[archaeologist]

I never said that science was a requirement, it's really a tool of evangelism and something to comfort a Christian in time of doubt.

to a point.