Is it possible to once have been saved then become unsaved? Is it possible to once hear God's truth and believe then hear it and it sounds false? Is it once saved always saved? Or can you fall and then become an enemy of God again? Can someone share what they think please. Thank you.
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Is it possible?
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Scriptures talk about apostacy, forsaking Christ, His atonement for the Law.
Personally speaking I find it extremely hard to believe that someone who is His can just permantly walk away from Him. I have walked away from Him so many times and each time He brought me back.
Can it happen though, I honestly dont know.
I know that you are not one of those people though
That I can say with certainty.
Personally speaking I find it extremely hard to believe that someone who is His can just permantly walk away from Him. I have walked away from Him so many times and each time He brought me back.
Can it happen though, I honestly dont know.
I know that you are not one of those people though
That I can say with certainty.
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justpassingthrough21
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I would say that it is possible to reject Christ after you have accepted Him and forfiet salvation. Although there is always a door for the rebellious to come back home. Such as the prodigal son did. I don't believe that if you backslide then you were never really saved to begin with. My brother was on fire for Jesus more than anyone I knew and had great favor with God, and he backslid and has been for about 10 years now.
I know in my own life when the blapsemous thoughts hit me it felt as if everything I knew dissapeared and my understanding felt very darkened. As if I dudnt even know who Jesus was. Even though I had been saved since I was young. I don't know how much of that was spiritual and how much was OCD type stuff. I do know that over the past year I feel myself drawing closer to Jesus and I feel like if I keep pressing on I will experience a flood of new understanding. Doesn't mean I'm not saved, I'm just going through some valleys.
I know in my own life when the blapsemous thoughts hit me it felt as if everything I knew dissapeared and my understanding felt very darkened. As if I dudnt even know who Jesus was. Even though I had been saved since I was young. I don't know how much of that was spiritual and how much was OCD type stuff. I do know that over the past year I feel myself drawing closer to Jesus and I feel like if I keep pressing on I will experience a flood of new understanding. Doesn't mean I'm not saved, I'm just going through some valleys.
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John 10:28-30 (Amplified Bible)
28. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.
29. My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all [else]; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand.
30. I and the Father are One.
In my opinion, there seems to be no interpretive possibility that John 10 does anything but clearly and emphatically teach true Christians cant lose their salvation. Verse 28 in particular makes three statements which each seem unmistakable in their intent: I give them eternal life (what can be lost and ended cannot be eternal life); and they shall never perish (shall not perish would have been very strong; shall never perish leaves no room for ambiguity); no one can snatch them out of my hand (no one means no person, whether human or demonic; Jesus does not cite the person themselves as an exception, and since the Christian himself is a one, he does not have the ability to snatch himself out of the Fathers hand.) Jesus does not qualify the later statement by saying of course he can always jump from the Fathers hand. Such an understanding does violence to the context and apparent intent of Christs words. Any one of the three statements is strong, but cumulatively they are overwhelming.
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justpassingthrough21
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I'm not against believing that losing salvation is extremely difficult but I can't see how it is impossible. For example the verse
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? . And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7:21)
This is a pretty strong verse leaning towards being able to lose salvation. There is no unbeliever that would be casting out demons in Jesus name, or prophesying in His name, doing wonderful works. These were serious Christians. They were actually fullyfilling what Jesus commanded. To heal the sick, cast out demons, prophecy, speak in new tongues. Most Christians today aren't doing these things. So it isn't a question of whether they were Christians or not, but rather what exactly expelled them from the presence of the Lord. It is the practicing of lawlessness that destroyed their right standing with the Lord.
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not BLOT OUT his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” (Revelation 3:5)
This also states a born again believer for those who believe that once you are born again your name is written in the Lambs book of Life. It is true that it can never be erased, but it can be blotted out as Jesus says in revelation. This states that you must be an overcomer to the very end, not start off great and the fizzle out towards the end.
English Standard Version (©2001)
and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
This translation express being saved, as in a continual thing, but also conditional by the fact that you must hold fast the words of God. It would be vein to start of with Christ and you let circumstances destroy your faith to the point where you don't look to Christ anymore. This was written to the Corinthians who were on some very shaky ground in their walks with Christ.
Hebrews 6:4-6 states, “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”
Finally their are actually 2 ways to disqualify yourself from heaven. One is the unpardonable sin, which is blatently denying Christ. Which is done by an unbeliever and possibly by a believer. The other is called the "sin unto death". Which isn't a specific sin, but 5 criteria a believer has to meet to have committed. Paul says when you are praying for a backslider and God reveals they have committed the sin unto death, that you are to pray for them no more.
The funny thing about this sin is it has nothing to do with unbelief, but rebellion. But if you read carefully this is a sin committed by very mature Christians(once englightened, tasted of the heavenly gift, partakers of the Holy Spirit, tasted the good word of God, and powers of the age to come), ones that have been saved, spirit-filled, have been given some sort of unique gift, very deeply Biblically knowledgable, and have drank deep of the things of God. And this person has to commit a vile act against Christ. Where he would bring Christ to an open shame, and crucify Him once again in their hearts. A famous preacher who has preached to millions of people, said that only 2 times in his life did God tell him to quit praying for someone because of this sin. He was very adament about praying for backsliders.
My own Pastor talks about former church members and leaders that have back slidden from God. And he has gone to the hospital in their last moments of life, and they are cursing God as they enter into eternity. These weren't flaky Christians, these were leaders and many who led other to Christ and build church foundations. But the enemy was able to deceive them to believe a lie.
"trodden under foot the Son of God", have counted the blood of the Son of God, "the blood of the covenant", an unholy thing, and have "done despite unto the Spirit of grace"
Again I believe every soul on earth has the ability to be saved, this much is clear. I also believe it is very difficult to lose salvation once you have become a child of God. But I wouldn't venture to say it is impossible, their is just to much evidence to the contrary.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? . And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7:21)
This is a pretty strong verse leaning towards being able to lose salvation. There is no unbeliever that would be casting out demons in Jesus name, or prophesying in His name, doing wonderful works. These were serious Christians. They were actually fullyfilling what Jesus commanded. To heal the sick, cast out demons, prophecy, speak in new tongues. Most Christians today aren't doing these things. So it isn't a question of whether they were Christians or not, but rather what exactly expelled them from the presence of the Lord. It is the practicing of lawlessness that destroyed their right standing with the Lord.
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not BLOT OUT his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” (Revelation 3:5)
This also states a born again believer for those who believe that once you are born again your name is written in the Lambs book of Life. It is true that it can never be erased, but it can be blotted out as Jesus says in revelation. This states that you must be an overcomer to the very end, not start off great and the fizzle out towards the end.
English Standard Version (©2001)
and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
This translation express being saved, as in a continual thing, but also conditional by the fact that you must hold fast the words of God. It would be vein to start of with Christ and you let circumstances destroy your faith to the point where you don't look to Christ anymore. This was written to the Corinthians who were on some very shaky ground in their walks with Christ.
Hebrews 6:4-6 states, “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”
Finally their are actually 2 ways to disqualify yourself from heaven. One is the unpardonable sin, which is blatently denying Christ. Which is done by an unbeliever and possibly by a believer. The other is called the "sin unto death". Which isn't a specific sin, but 5 criteria a believer has to meet to have committed. Paul says when you are praying for a backslider and God reveals they have committed the sin unto death, that you are to pray for them no more.
The funny thing about this sin is it has nothing to do with unbelief, but rebellion. But if you read carefully this is a sin committed by very mature Christians(once englightened, tasted of the heavenly gift, partakers of the Holy Spirit, tasted the good word of God, and powers of the age to come), ones that have been saved, spirit-filled, have been given some sort of unique gift, very deeply Biblically knowledgable, and have drank deep of the things of God. And this person has to commit a vile act against Christ. Where he would bring Christ to an open shame, and crucify Him once again in their hearts. A famous preacher who has preached to millions of people, said that only 2 times in his life did God tell him to quit praying for someone because of this sin. He was very adament about praying for backsliders.
My own Pastor talks about former church members and leaders that have back slidden from God. And he has gone to the hospital in their last moments of life, and they are cursing God as they enter into eternity. These weren't flaky Christians, these were leaders and many who led other to Christ and build church foundations. But the enemy was able to deceive them to believe a lie.
"trodden under foot the Son of God", have counted the blood of the Son of God, "the blood of the covenant", an unholy thing, and have "done despite unto the Spirit of grace"
Again I believe every soul on earth has the ability to be saved, this much is clear. I also believe it is very difficult to lose salvation once you have become a child of God. But I wouldn't venture to say it is impossible, their is just to much evidence to the contrary.
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Im scared I have been feeling far from God ever since my ocd came back and I am afraid of the nforgivable
I have been feeling far from God ever since my ocd came back and I am afraid of the nforgivable
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justpassingthrough21
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If you had committed the U.S. you wouldn't be afraid of having committed it. The example of the U.S. are the pharasee's (sp?) who knew that Jesus was God and purposefully rejected Him without 1 ounce of remorse. The best thing to do when those lies come to mind, respond with truth. Remind yourself of those who have also thought they had committed to U.S. and were used mightily by God i.e. John Bunyan, Martin Luther and quite a few others. Also remind yourself that your fear of committing it, completely disqualifies you from even being able to commit it. Do that as much and often as you need to, and over time those lies will fade away.
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Thank you to all who responded. I'm just afraid that God has given me up and that I have no more second chances left with Him. Everytime I step into a church I'm waiting to get struck with lighting just because He has left me and I'm in His place. Every time there is a thunderstorm I'm afraid He is going to make a bolt strike me. When drivingI think if there is a rapture and it comes right then am I going to still be left driving while I see cars going off the road and look in my backseat and see my kids gone. It terrifies me. When I hear about Jesus' birth and things to do with God it doesn't sound true and it makes me want to die. I'm afraid God has taken His Spirit from me and my understanding and I'm left with nothing. No hope no nothing. I have times when I just think if only God would give me another chance I would run the race I would look to Jesus and just keep walking even if it means stumbling sometimes and falling down but just getting back up and going keeping my eyes on Him alone and finally getting there. I think about how I would like to get to the gates of Heaven and hear Jesus call me His faithful servent. I pray and pray but I don't think I can pray with my whole heart anymore and that God isn't going to allow me to so He won't really hear me. My heart is so evil and I wish I could make it different. Even going through all this I think to myself I'm going to hell and there is nothing I can do but then I get a peace inside me saying I'm going to heaven, but I don't see how. I think this may be the false hope talked about in the Bible. It seems like I have a head faith not a real faith. I just don't know what to do anymore. I say that I'm going to give up and not pray anymore, but then I keep doing it despite thinking that it's useless because God isn't listening anymore. Sorry this is so long I just was getting it out.
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Hi tyield, I wanted to ask you, which sin is it that the blood of Jesus cannot cover? He has saved so many people in the world, that is the reason He came, to save us, all of us, now that does not mean that all will be saved but that does mean that all who are drawn by the Spirit of God and will and ask to be saved will be. Jesus said that no one comes to Him unless the Father draws that person (John 6:44), so if you have any desire what-so-ever to be saved it is of God, you can be sure of that.
Jesus also said that whoever comes to Him, He will in no wise cast out (John 6:37), I base my faith and life on this verse and so should you. He will not cast us out! Why? Because: "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved." (John 3:17) As long as you are "in the world" you can be saved!
God loves you, He has said it and He has proven it to us, there is no reason to doubt His love for us or His willingness to save us. Jesus died to save sinners and all He desires is for us to believe in Him, in what He said, what He has done. In Revelations it says "And let him who is thirsty come. Whoever desires, let him take of the water of life freely." (Rev. 22:17)
God only desires that we will take Him at His word, He says He loves us and that He desires good things to us, that He wants to save us from our miserable position and give us new and eternal life. He wants us to turn to Him in faith and to stop listening to the serpent in our ear who is a liar from the beginning and tells us not to trust Him (like he told Eve). Reject those thoughts from the god of lies and trust in the one and only true God of love, who died to save us.
Come to Him in child like faith, He wants you to trust Him like that and even though your doubts and unbelief may return sometimes always reject them as false even if they stay with you for the rest of your life, you are going to believe God and His word, not your thoughts or your feelings.
Check this site out, it has helped me in my doubts: Rejected by God? Feeling damned or second rate in God's sight: Hope when it seems hopeless
God bless you!
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