is it Possible to "Regain" Salvation?

[sojourner]

Brother In Christ.

you still do not understand free will vs God's sovernity

This text does not even address free will. It is solely about God's providential care. Even here, he can put stumbling blocks in our way to prevent us from doing our will. But He never interferes with man's will. You will find no text anywhere that changes man's nature as he was created to be as a human being first, and that God created him to be free. The whole Bible speaks against the whole concept of man losing his will, his status as a human being in God's Image and that God changed the design of man from the original. That God changed the whole purpose of man's creation. He specifically redeemed us in order that man was not in bondage, but freely able to choose to believe or to reject.

I understand fully the relationship of man's responsibility and God's sovereignty. I understand what the Bible teaches regarding it.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Brother In Christ.



This text does not even address free will. It is solely about God's providential care. Even here, he can put stumbling blocks in our way to prevent us from doing our will. But He never interferes with man's will. You will find no text anywhere that changes man's nature as he was created to be as a human being first, and that God created him to be free. The whole Bible speaks against the whole concept of man losing his will, his status as a human being in God's Image and that God changed the design of man from the original. That God changed the whole purpose of man's creation. He specifically redeemed us in order that man was not in bondage, but freely able to choose to believe or to reject.

I understand fully the relationship of man's responsibility and God's sovereignty. I understand what the Bible teaches regarding it.

you did not read proverb 16:9 god work with in Man free will by dealing with circumstances to get were God wants him.

 

[Hello There]

Edited by myself, I don't necessarily disagree with what I first said. Please PM me for further info if needed

 

[Ben johnson]

Actually you need to read Hebrews 6:4-6 which makes it very clear that once you loose your salvation - there is no hope in regaining it.

Heb6:4-6 does not say "no hope in ever regaining it". First, it describes those who were TRULY SAVED. "Tasted the heavenly gift/good-word/powers of age to come", uses "geuomai" --- same as "Jesus tasted death" (Heb2:9). It says "partners of the Holy Spirit", using "metochos" ("partners in Christ" 3:14, "partners in a heavenly calling" 3:1).

Second, it truly describes "parapiptos-fall-away". Truly-saved becoming "unsaved".

It says, "It is impossible (adunatos, impossible/unable/powerless) to restore them to repentance, BECAUSE (NIV), SEEING-AS (KJV), SINCE (NASV), WHILE! (NASV footnote) they fall away.

"Fall" is really "fallING". While they are falling they cannot be restored to repentance. The cause is wholly their own choice.

Heb6:7-8 places cause with THEM --- if they produce good fruit they are blessed; if they produce bad they are cursed.

Heb6:11-12 places the cause with THEM --- diligence required SO AS to realize the full assurance of hope until the end.

If their disbelief/disobedience is CAUSE of their falling away, the CAUSE of their "not wanting to return to repentance", then (as Rom11:23 says) if they cease in their unbelief they will be grafted in again.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

once again works do not send a person to hell....

it belief or unbelief

God counts a believer to have died , burried, and arose with Christ ...meaning that a work that God did is being counted for us...grace... nothing that we did all of what He did...

thus the reason of romans 4:8 since we will not be glorified till we see His face

 

[Hello There]

Edited by myself, I don't necessarily disagree with what I first said. Please PM me for further info if needed

 

[Ben johnson]

So if one ceases to continuously sin by remaining apart from the Messiah, then Messiah's sacrifice for one's sins becomes operative again. It is now available for one since one has stopped the continuous sin of apostasy and can now be united with Christ. (Note the parallelism of the continuous sinning with the continuous remaining of no further sacrifice; when the former vanishes, the latter does as well--and the same is true of a person who continuously fails to repent of sin in general.) Thus if an apostate (to Judaism or whatever else) ceases to be an apostate, he can be saved. There is no unforgivable sin taught in this text.

That is the exact same theme in Heb6 --- "It is IMPOSSIBLE (unable, powerless) to restore them to repentance, WHILE they fall away and crucify to themselves Christ anew".

So the warning TO diligence in 6:11-12 is very real.

 

[Hello There]

Thanks Ben,
I am suprised at how many people actually think apostates cannot return to salvation because they think that the apostates would have to "Crucify Christ Again" which is incorrect because it is simply not what it says, it doesn't say they would have to crucify Christ again to come back, it is actually indicating that they are PRESENTLY crucifying him and bringing him to an open shame.

Heb6 has caused anxiety for many people who have walked away and thought they couldn't come back again, I pray that these people will not give up hope.

 

[Ben johnson]

Heb6 has caused anxiety for many people who have walked away and thought they couldn't come back again, I pray that these people will not give up hope

Amen, Carl! I pray the same thing!

The devil has many "great lies":

1. Don't worry about today; you can repent tomorrow. There's plenty of time.
2. A little sin is OK; you're bigger than that.
3. You're too lost, gone too far, done too many horrible things; God could NEVER forgive you.
4. You've lost your salvation; you can never return.
5. God's not gonna condemn you for one or two sins; go ahead and do it.
6. There are many roads to God; one's just as good as the other.
7. Oh sin all you want; God promises to forgive you if you repent. Sin today, repent tomorrow.
8. God's gonna KEEP you saved; it's HIS responsibility, don't spend time worrying about it.
9. Everybody else is doing it; heck, those Christians are probably lying cheating stealing and sleeping around too.
10. God is LOVE; love would never condemn someone to Hell.
11. Those Scriptures are probably written by some prune-faced biddies, who never had any fun; you know that if you're good you go to Heaven, if you're bad the other place.
12. There probably isn't a real devil or demons anyway; man is this bad all by himself.
13. You gave to those charities; you helped the orphaned children's homes; you funded AIDS research (though hoping they could CURE it so people wouldn't be so paranoid about "expressing love" anymore). All that's gotta count for SOMETHING in God's eyes.
14. The Bible's just fairy tales, handed down over the centuries; it's changed alot; besides it was never s'posed to be taken literally.
15. Just obey the "Golden Rule" and you'll be fine.
16. You're basically a "good person"; those Christians are hypocrites; shoot, you're more moral than THEY are; God knows that you'll make it.
17. Hey, you BELIEVE in Jesus, don't you? That's all it takes; you're covered, you've got "fire insurance".
18. Jesus-on-the-Cross? Maybe; maybe not. But Jesus' message was to "love everybody"; you can't love people if you condemn them for doin' some things you disapprove of; be TOLERANT.
19. Yeah you cheated on your taxes, took some pens from the office, lied to your wife; it's not like you robbed a BANK. God's not going to hold you accountable for minutia.
20. Hell's probably not even real. All you have to do is follow the god you've learned, even if from Buddha or Hinduism --- you're gonna be surprised at how many people will "make it". You'll be OK...

These are only the "tip of the iceberg" of what satan tells to lure people away from God...

 

[Hello There]

Edited by myself, I don't necessarily disagree with what I first said. Please PM me for further info if needed