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Is it possible to be sinless

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The idea that we should be without sin is set forth in many places in the bible... For instance John 8 or 9 were Jesus forgave a adulteress with the words "Go and sin no more!!"

The most common excuse for sinning against the Lord used by many is in Romans: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"... The thing is that that passage is in past tense, it says "have sinned"!!! Romans also says "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound" and it continues with "Certantly not"!

As a sidenote; if it is possible to be without sin, i pray to God that he will make me without sin!!!
 

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I believe that we will someday evolve into 'sons of Elohim' and will be sinless.

until then we are fallen nephilim and we just have to make the best of it.

when you die and stand before God and see Gods face then the sin will be burned out of you.
but you must first be prepared.
otherwise your brain would be fried and you would become a zombie.

I dont know anything about how one becomes prepared.
 
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Quote Lillan: "As a sidenote; if it is possible to be without sin, i pray to God that he will make me without sin!!!"

God did make you without sin. If anyone is in Christ he (she) is a new creation. Old things have passed away. Behold all things have become new.
Paul counsels us to consider that if Christ died for all, then all died.
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I have noted how so many (myself included) can blur the distiction between the flesh and the spirit. We easily find ourselves comparing the one against the backdrop of the other. But Christ said, Now the
ruler of this world is judged. There is a decisive severing between the flesh and the spirit - the Word of God is living and powerful to the dividing of soul and spirit.

A servant is not above his Master. Since Christ was condemned on the cross and died because of sin, then that is our lot. Since Christ was raised from the dead because of God's mercy, then that is also our lot. Whether I have 20 sins (arbitrary number) or 20,000 sins, I am judged along with the ruler of this world to die. And whether I have 20 or 20,000 good deeds, I am still judged along with the ruler of this world to die because Christ, on the cross, condemned sin in the flesh.

What Christ has provided us through His death and resurrection is the opportunity to die now, as opposed to waiting for old age, illness or accident. To believe that we have also died with Him, and to
believe that we have been raised with Him, is our choice for righteousness (Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness) - and our faith becomes what we do based upon that belief.

Whatever is not of faith, is sin. If I deliberately lie to achieve a self-serving end because I think God would say no, then my action does not reflect that belief. And since my belief then is not the
foundation of my action, then I am not in Christ. I am still in my sin.
If I misrepresnt because I consider there is wisdom in discretion for a specific situation (Abraham half-truthed about his wife being his sister), then my faith might be questionable, but it is sincere and
based on my belief ... though it is the hay and stubble that will be burned up and I will suffer loss, but my foundation (Christ) remains and I am without sin before God because I remain in Christ.
And if I tell the entire truth and it costs me greatly, but I do so because I think it is what God wants, then this is the gold and silver that will be tested and purified ... and one of His rewards for my deeds in the flesh. And because my foundation (Christ) remains, I am still without sin before God because I remain in Christ.

When we speak of being saved - what are we saved from? It's not saved from dying, or the explosiveness of wrath, or some abstract concept of sinfulness. We all must die, and then the judgement ... but we are saved from the permanence of death by dying today, and being raised today. We pass from death into life where mercy triumphs over judgement. And the life we now live, we live by faith. Because whatever is not of faith is sin. And because without faith it is impossible to please God.

So what is faith?
I set my alarm last night because I believed that the morning would come and I would have my job to go to. By faith, I set my alarm. And though I might thrash about in my sleep and hit the off button so that the alarm doesn't go off and I'm late for work ... I'm still blameless.
Or, I didn't set my alarm because though I've experienced each morning and have been to work each day, I chose to not prepare for the morning. And though I might still wake up in time and get to work a few minutes early and all looks well in everyone else's eyes ... I'm still with blame because I did not act in faith.

Paul says, Do you have faith? Have it between you and God. Happy is he (she) who does not condemn himself (herself) in that which they allow.

John says if we are in Christ we cannot sin, because His seed remains in us, and in Him is no sin.

One esteems one day above another, another esteems every day the same - let each be convinced in his (her) own mind ... To him (her) who eats with the feeling of giving offense, to him (her) it is sin.


Lillian, God made you without sin through the death and resurrection of Jesus. You believe that, and your actions from that point on is your faith (strong and/or weak). And your faith is an issue between you and your Father, God.
If you build gold and silver on that foundation - you are blameless.
If you build hay and stubble you'll suffer loss - but you are still blameless.
- but if you choose to not believe what Christ has accomplished, then you would have blame. One of the greater deceptions we subdue is the idea our actions can be more powerful than Christ's death and life.

I choose to believe in what Jesus has established, and that influences all my choices. I do well, and I do awful, but in all I'm without sin for one single reason: God said so.
 
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I, too, have wondered this very same topic. I do know we are supposed to be blameless and perfected. Because we don't have ALL knowledge, we will be ignorant in some matters and hence at least have sins of ignorance.

Also something to throw into the mix, what about sins that lead to death versus things that do not lead to death. I really believe that the one who is born again need NEVER fall captive to sinful patterns (specifically, sins that lead to death). There is NO good reason why a person who has been renewed and redeemed should commit adultery or murder or thieve. There's just no excuses. Does it ever happen, yes. And is there forgiveness, I think so. But repentance MUST occur.

I think the main thing that matters concerning this topic is our attitude and the way we put it. Some will say "Aww, I'm just a miserable sinner saved by grace" and still have that mentality of the miserable sinner always struggling. I think this is the wrong mindset. Our mindset should be more along the lines of "I can do ALL things through Christ who gives me strength" and of course 'all things' is referring to obeying Him and not to sinning.
 
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The idea that we should be without sin is set forth in many places in the bible... For instance John 8 or 9 were Jesus forgave a adulteress with the words "Go and sin no more!!"

The most common excuse for sinning against the Lord used by many is in Romans: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"... The thing is that that passage is in past tense, it says "have sinned"!!! Romans also says "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound" and it continues with "Certantly not"!

As a sidenote; if it is possible to be without sin, i pray to God that he will make me without sin!!!

It is not possible for fallen human creatures to be 'sinless' in the sense in which I think you mean untill after the resurrection and only then if the fallen human creature was a true believer before their death and resurrection (or their translation).

The Bible teaches that all Mankind is born in original sin so we are sinful before we have even begun. We then begin to sin of our own volition because we are by nature sinful. In other words, we sin because we are sinful, we are not sinful because we sin. The fallen human nature predisposes the action of the will not vice versa.

It is for this reason that all Mankind is in dire need of the Saviour and that we have no hope of salvation from the catastrophic effects of sin without the grace of God and the salvation of the Messiah as the human incarnation of God (Isa.43:10-13; Eph.2:8-10; Rom.1:18-32; 3:9-18,23; Rom.6:23(a)).

Only once we have been resurrected/translated will our natures be transformed to sinless. In the mean-time the object of the exercise is, by the grace of God, to sin as little as possible by crucifying our sinful natures on a daily basis as we live by faith in Him (Hab.2:4; Rom.1:16-17; 1Jn.1:5-10).

Simonline.
 
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You were pronounced sinless the precise milli-second you received Jesus as Savior and Lord. The Righteousness of God was imparted to you. When God looks at you He sees not what you used to be, He sees Jesus. Jesus paid it all; let no doubt or fear enter in.

Will you sin after being saved? Yes. What happens when you do? Your fellowship with God through Jesus, in the power of the Holy Spirit, is disrupted. What can you do? Read 1 John 1:9. Read that, confess that, agree with God that it was a sin. He is faithful and just to forgive you and to cleanse you from ALL unrighteousness. You DID NOT fall from grace; you disrupted your fellowship. Praise God that 1 John 1:9 is there for you. Read also the letters of Paul concerning forgiveness and new life for eternity.

Praise God for His mercy and grace!!! :clap::clap::clap:
 
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Quote Lillan: "As a sidenote; if it is possible to be without sin, i pray to God that he will make me without sin!!!"

God did make you without sin. If anyone is in Christ he (she) is a new creation. Old things have passed away. Behold all things have become new.
Paul counsels us to consider that if Christ died for all, then all died.
----------------------------
I have noted how so many (myself included) can blur the distiction between the flesh and the spirit. We easily find ourselves comparing the one against the backdrop of the other. But Christ said, Now the
ruler of this world is judged. There is a decisive severing between the flesh and the spirit - the Word of God is living and powerful to the dividing of soul and spirit.

A servant is not above his Master. Since Christ was condemned on the cross and died because of sin, then that is our lot. Since Christ was raised from the dead because of God's mercy, then that is also our lot. Whether I have 20 sins (arbitrary number) or 20,000 sins, I am judged along with the ruler of this world to die. And whether I have 20 or 20,000 good deeds, I am still judged along with the ruler of this world to die because Christ, on the cross, condemned sin in the flesh.

What Christ has provided us through His death and resurrection is the opportunity to die now, as opposed to waiting for old age, illness or accident. To believe that we have also died with Him, and to
believe that we have been raised with Him, is our choice for righteousness (Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness) - and our faith becomes what we do based upon that belief.

Whatever is not of faith, is sin. If I deliberately lie to achieve a self-serving end because I think God would say no, then my action does not reflect that belief. And since my belief then is not the
foundation of my action, then I am not in Christ. I am still in my sin.
If I misrepresnt because I consider there is wisdom in discretion for a specific situation (Abraham half-truthed about his wife being his sister), then my faith might be questionable, but it is sincere and
based on my belief ... though it is the hay and stubble that will be burned up and I will suffer loss, but my foundation (Christ) remains and I am without sin before God because I remain in Christ.
And if I tell the entire truth and it costs me greatly, but I do so because I think it is what God wants, then this is the gold and silver that will be tested and purified ... and one of His rewards for my deeds in the flesh. And because my foundation (Christ) remains, I am still without sin before God because I remain in Christ.

When we speak of being saved - what are we saved from? It's not saved from dying, or the explosiveness of wrath, or some abstract concept of sinfulness. We all must die, and then the judgement ... but we are saved from the permanence of death by dying today, and being raised today. We pass from death into life where mercy triumphs over judgement. And the life we now live, we live by faith. Because whatever is not of faith is sin. And because without faith it is impossible to please God.

So what is faith?
I set my alarm last night because I believed that the morning would come and I would have my job to go to. By faith, I set my alarm. And though I might thrash about in my sleep and hit the off button so that the alarm doesn't go off and I'm late for work ... I'm still blameless.
Or, I didn't set my alarm because though I've experienced each morning and have been to work each day, I chose to not prepare for the morning. And though I might still wake up in time and get to work a few minutes early and all looks well in everyone else's eyes ... I'm still with blame because I did not act in faith.

Paul says, Do you have faith? Have it between you and God. Happy is he (she) who does not condemn himself (herself) in that which they allow.

John says if we are in Christ we cannot sin, because His seed remains in us, and in Him is no sin.

One esteems one day above another, another esteems every day the same - let each be convinced in his (her) own mind ... To him (her) who eats with the feeling of giving offense, to him (her) it is sin.


Lillian, God made you without sin through the death and resurrection of Jesus. You believe that, and your actions from that point on is your faith (strong and/or weak). And your faith is an issue between you and your Father, God.
If you build gold and silver on that foundation - you are blameless.
If you build hay and stubble you'll suffer loss - but you are still blameless.
- but if you choose to not believe what Christ has accomplished, then you would have blame. One of the greater deceptions we subdue is the idea our actions can be more powerful than Christ's death and life.

I choose to believe in what Jesus has established, and that influences all my choices. I do well, and I do awful, but in all I'm without sin for one single reason: God said so.

:amen: Great post!
 
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Are folks with Cerebral palsy who dont speak and are wheelchair bound, sinners? Are those mentally challenged . sinners?
How about infants?
[all of which are baptized]

Is it possible to be sinless? Yes.
 
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Are folks with Cerebral palsy who dont speak and are wheelchair bound, sinners? Are those mentally challenged [[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]] sinners?
How about infants?
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I think you took liberties with the OP's question, but thats ok, its good to ponder these questions. I think the OP meant those who are at the age or point of accountiblity. But as you know, unless you fall in line with Pelagianism, even the unnacountable will need grace and redemption due to the condition of the soul and body. Christian orthodox doctrine states that we are all born in a corrupt state and THUS are natural born sinners, fully rebellious against God. The best evidence we have that we are born into sin is our eventual physical death. That was the conseqeunce of the fall, right?!!!........But that being said, The book of Revelation states that books will be open and everyone will be judge by there deeds. Thus, it comes down to a point of accountablity. God, being ever so merciful and good, would most likely not judge babies, infants, the mentally challenged, etc, until a point of accountability that only God knows.
 
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You were pronounced sinless the precise milli-second you received Jesus as Savior and Lord.
It's by faith that we are considered righteous. Nothing in the Bible says that God considers us "sinless". The only person considered sinless is the one who truly is sinless.
 
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Have faith, God's ultimate goal is for us to live like we should have in the beginning... without sin. A full indwelling of the Holy Spirit in full force should do it. I figure that the early rains is prophetically speaking of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the latter rains in coming to bring on the harvest.
 
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When Yeshua said to the woman at His feet, "Go and sin no more" He gave no indication that He didn't believe it was possible.. but rather He gave every indication that not only was it possible but probable in that she would no longer be thrown at His feet as a sinner again.. Amazing what happens when God believes you can do it.. and you trust Him to make it so..
 
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Is it possible to be sinless? Yes, of course. But it takes the return of the Lord Jesus and a resurrection to accomplish it.

Thus far the only person who has been resurrected is Christ Himself. Thus far the only sinless person to walk the earth has been the Lord Jesus Himself.

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Are folks with Cerebral palsy who dont speak and are wheelchair bound, sinners? Are those mentally challenged . sinners?
How about infants?
Just because they are not able to do things physically. Doesn't mean they can not sin in their hearts. Only the baby can fit the sinless as far as actions but even they are sinners by nature of being born in this flesh. The word of God is true. Unless they were born of the spirit. they are sinners by nature.

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Only the baby can fit the sinless
I would agree with you up to this point.
but even they are sinners by nature of being born in this flesh.
I can't buy into that line. Being "born in the flesh" does not equate to being "sinners by nature"
The word of God is true.
AMEN!
Unless they were born of the spirit. they are sinners by nature.
It's better to stick to the word of God, which doesn't make the same claim that you've just made.
 
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