How about when Moses established the 6 years of planting and the 7th year of rest for the land -- are those 24 hour periods too?
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For God, a day can be anything He chooses. For us, reality dictates that it is 23 hrs. 56 min. But the length of the day in Genesis is one literal 24 hr (approx) period. and it has to be that way. Why? Because when Moses established the six day working week with one day of rest it was based upon the creation week; that week was not 7 thousand years long, nor 7 million yrs, nor 7 billion. Such a time frame would be ludicrous for what God intended.
How about when Moses established the 6 years of planting and the 7th year of rest for the land -- are those 24 hour periods too?
As I understand the creation account in Genesis, God is giving us the answer to how we got here. That it was none of it accomplished by natural and scientific processes, but that each and every form in the entire universe that we gaze upon today in our microscopes and telescopes was, in fact, made just as we see it now by the hands of God. It was all made for the purpose, just as the angelic realm was made, by a God who loves and desires to be loved by what He has created in men and angels.
I am not a miracle! Sure, sure, the first living molecule of life was probably some miracle of,.... uh, God? But I, me the person sitting here at this computer reading all this ignorant ramblings of some 'born again' believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, I am the form and body of a creature that lived billions of years ago and over naturally, scientifically explainable processes -- turned into me.
Any farmer knows this works very well for the land. We try to get around this by rotating different crops but in the end, doing it this way produces the most.
the 7th year is 61320 hours plus 24/48 hours depending on how many leap years u catch.
You mean the seven year cycle in the bible with land being left rest on the seventh year isn't based on the same pattern as the Sabbath command?His reply was yet another attempt to escape reality. Genesis was talking about the creation of the world, not planting season nor the time of summer fallowing.
I don't think they are a problem for OECs either. There are problems with the literal six day interpretation, for example, at what time of day does each Genesis day begin?But it is such a foolish position. Even if the days of Genesis were meant to be understood as thousands or perhaps millions of years...how could the plant life created on the third day survive until the creation of the sun on the fourth day? Furthermore, animal life was not created until the fifth day so how was the required plant pollination performed? But none of this was a problem in the literal six day scenario that Moses gave us. That time frame would not keep anything from being logically completed.
Have you read verse 15 along with it too?Nor does his ridiculous notion answer to Gen. 1:14 and the natural divisions of time as God gave them in those words.
I don't know about farming. And this may be in refernce to the Sabbath idea, but it is clearly defined by Moses as "year", just as it is clearly defined as "day" in Genesis.How about when Moses established the 6 years of planting and the 7th year of rest for the land -- are those 24 hour periods too?
You mean the seven year cycle in the bible with land being left rest on the seventh year isn't based on the same pattern as the Sabbath command?
Now you know he meant that as mankind and not himself specifically. That is a little nit-picky.Last I checked, miamited, you're not Adam, and I'm certainly not Eve. So Genesis 1-3 certainly can't be about how we got here, can it?
It says there was evening and there was morning, the first day. Then another evening and morning, the second day and so forth. How about 6 PM? Of course that is just a guessThere are problems with the literal six day interpretation, for example, at what time of day does each Genesis day begin?
Days, not day. These will be a sign for how many days we can count for seasons. There was light even before the sun, this was God. Then He established these two satellites to be set in the sky for these things. If you read it in order word for word it is written very simply.Have you read verse 15 along with it too?
Gen 1:14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so.
How can the lights in the heavens have already been signs for seasons, days and years if not even a day had passed when Genesis says 'And it was so'? Or is verse 15 showing us a lot more time had passed than your literal six day interpretation allows for?
Days is the the problem, as are seasons and years. How did the lights in the heavens mark out days, seasons and years as Genesis tells us happened before even one day had passed?Days, not day. These will be a sign for how many days we can count for seasons. There was light even before the sun, this was God. Then He established these two satellites to be set in the sky for these things. If you read it in order word for word it is written very simply.
Could all the scientific evidence that says the earth is around 4.54 billion years old be wrong?
Is it possible that God used super natural methods to create everything and we are unable to measure these?
Is this the best science can do or are scientist blinded by satan to the possiblity that the earth is around 6,000 years old?
Doesn't the bible say that some people's minds are blinded?
What do you mean? Scripture says these were created on day 4. Are you asking how was there evening and morning before the sun was created? In verse 3 God created light. And he separated the light from darkness. Then in verse 14 he created lights. Now if he already created light then why would he create lights later? The first light is (in translated english lettering) owr. This means light as opposed to darkness. The second light(s) is maowr which is a more specific light source, like a light bulb. It never says the sun was the source of "LIGHT", but the source of light. Google the term "inflation" with "creation" or "big bang" anf read some resources. It is interesting. Even science says there was a source of light before the sun had developed (created).Days is the the problem, as are seasons and years. How did the lights in the heavens mark out days, seasons and years as Genesis tells us happened before even one day had passed?
Where do you get that owr maowr thing I can't see it in the text. It is not what I was talking about though. My question was your interpretation that Genesis 1 takes place in six days, when the lights marking out days and years and seasons suggests much longer was passing. In fact Genesis never actually says the heavens and the earth were created in six days. The nearest in Gen 2:4 which describes everything being created in a single day.What do you mean? Scripture says these were created on day 4. Are you asking how was there evening and morning before the sun was created? In verse 3 God created light. And he separated the light from darkness. Then in verse 14 he created lights. Now if he already created light then why would he create lights later? The first light is (in translated english lettering) owr. This means light as opposed to darkness. The second light(s) is maowr which is a more specific light source, like a light bulb. It never says the sun was the source of "LIGHT", but the source of light. Google the term "inflation" with "creation" or "big bang" anf read some resources. It is interesting. Even science says there was a source of light before the sun had developed (created).
How about when Moses established the 6 years of planting and the 7th year of rest for the land -- are those 24 hour periods too?
I get it now. First of all try and see it this way for now, Genesis is not written as a complete linear historical book. It has accounts that are separated and man put them together into one book called Genesis and separated the chapters and verses. The Bible Lessons: (1) Book of GenesisWhere do you get that owr maowr thing I can't see it in the text. It is not what I was talking about though. My question was your interpretation that Genesis 1 takes place in six days, when the lights marking out days and years and seasons suggests much longer was passing. In fact Genesis never actually says the heavens and the earth were created in six days. The nearest in Gen 2:4 which describes everything being created in a single day.
If you go back to Hebrew, Genesis 1:4 says Let there be light (owr). In verse 16 God created (formed) two lights (maowr).Where do you get that owr maowr thing I can't see it in the text.
I agree with the chapter divisions, though it is not so clear if verse 4 or the first half of verse 4 belongs with the first account. It isn't an issue though, Gen 2:4 shows us is that day was used quite flexibly by people then. Even in chapter one it is used in two different ways, the period of light in 1:5a and including night in the second half of the verse (if it is even speaking literally of course). But my point was that Genesis doesn't say the earth was created in six days or that the days are even consecutive (it actually counts them differently from any other series of day in the OT).I get it now. First of all try and see it this way for now, Genesis is not written as a complete linear historical book. It has accounts that are separated and man put them together into one book called Genesis and separated the chapters and verses. The Bible Lessons: (1) Book of Genesis
Chapter 1:1 to 2:3 probably should be the same "book" or chapter. It explains all the beginnings of creation, especially man as in existence. Chapter 2:4-2:25 is the beginning of mankind. It is deeper detailed than chapter 1.
With that said you can also look at the wording. This first account plainly states, [bible]in the beginning[/bible]. In the second account, it states [bible]in the day[/bible]. The first account will use the term day as light/dark. It is about the specific days of creation. The second account uses the term as back in the day. It is about the generic days of creation.
No Genesis 2 can't be set in day 8, it is set before there were any plants or animals before God created man and woman. It is another description of God's creation another creation account.Now take a look at a very important part, 2:1-2:3,
1. Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
3. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
If 2:4 is still one day, then how was all their vast array done in one day and then talk about the day still going on in 2:4? Answer: these are two different accounts as stated above.
2:2-3 clearly states that God had rested, not rests. The seven days of creation were over. But the time of interaction was about to begin (on day 8).
No it doesn't. People assume it does, but it doesn't say that.So, Genesis does say the earth (and all around it) specifically was created in 6 days.
No it doesn't. People assume it does, but it doesn't say that.
That's true. People assume that this describes normal days, because of how it reads in these not all that vague terms:
Agreed for the most.Genesis 2 is a much more comprehensive creation account than simply mankind, it leaves out the sea and sea creatures, but the perspective of the writer seem to be barren wilderness we see in verse 5. Presumably if you lived you life pushing sheep and goats around the desert scrub, the sea and sea creatures wouldn't be foremost on you mind. The account doesn't mention God creating the heavens and the earth (unless you include verse 4) but it does look at God creating man and women, animals, birds and plants. It starts of very similarly to Gen 1:2 with God creating order from a barren desolation, only in Genesis 2 it is a dry wilderness rather than a watery one.
That was jus a joke. I didn't mean day 8 literally.No Genesis 2 can't be set in day 8
Agreed, if we are talking about Genesis 2. Genesis 1 is different. I am not excluding metaphors at all but only if the writer is explaining something we can't understand such as parables, prophecy, or poetry. Genesis is none of these. But still some words may have two meanings. Read in context, it all makes sense.But Gen 2:4 is referring to one of these two accounts when it says: These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. So either the creation in Genesis 1 is being described as in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, or it is the description in chapter 2 of God creating man and woman plants animals and birds. Either way you realise it is not a literal use of the word day, which raises questions about interpretations that insist day has to mean day. Clearly people back then were quite happy speaking in metaphors and using day metaphorically.
I can't see it any other way. Could you explain to me why how it may be something different please?No it doesn't. People assume it does, but it doesn't say that.
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