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Easy words to say, when you sleep under the protection of armed soldiers and armed policemen.
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I abstain because violence is the lowest form that a man can take on. A brute mentality, rather than civil resolve. Life is fleeting, regardless of whether or not I stand by and let a mugger cut my throat. I will trust my fate to God. Even in death He will not abandon me. I see death as a far greater reward than taking someones miserable life in order to save mine. Only to lose it to time or circumstance.
Easy words to say, when you sleep under the protection of armed soldiers and armed policemen.
Psa 127:1 KJV
(1) A Song of degrees for Solomon. Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
you don't need to guess - the bible answers this. look at what happened to the children of israel in Numbers 13 and 14.
The truth* is that your need to stay alive is not a good moral wheel... why would your need to stay alive change the morality of killing another human?
Because you don't want to die? That isn't truth* it's merely desire and your moral system is only meeting your needs.
I think killing people is always wrong, just because you think you NEED to kill because you don't want to die wouldn't change that.
I think killing people is always wrong
I am a service member in the United States Army.
if you had read all of that post you'd probably know the answer...
I say ALL killing is wrong, I accept doing it because I don't want to die... but im not false enough to claim that my desire to not die changes what's right and wrong much less the killing of other human beings.
Why would it cause me to not join the Army? I make a choice... I can do what I think is right, or I can protect my family... I chose to protect my family etc. I'm just not lacking in mind enough to think my need changes what is right and wrong.
Have you ever heard of cognitive dissonance?
no... cognitive dissonance is holding contradictory beliefs and it is the psychological stress that it creates.
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I'm pretty sure Dr. Leon Festinger who wrote about this back in the 50's isn't a pop wanna be psychologist.
Your claim that I'd never kill just because I think it's wrong is the winner of the unsubstantiated thought of the day award.
I mean, you're a Christian who still commits sins right? Do you claim that your committing a sin changes that it's a sin?
Your statement about how difficult pacifism is shows your desperation to support unsubstantiated claims.
Denyiing that even the bible condoned killing in certain instances is ripping pages out of your bibleJudging by the poll results. The majority of you that voted, place Jesus' command to love your neighbor behind your own well being, and your country.
Maybe this is why you are struggling in your faith. You have your priorities all mixed up.
I am pretty sure that wrapping a flag around you is not going to get you into Heaven. But, being covered in the righteousness of the Lamb of God will.
Well supposedly a "desire to get into heaven" isn't what gets you into heaven either. You're supposed to be morally and spiritually good, not just intent on getting through the gates.
Well since I'm not a Christian anymore that's my last comment here. Nice chat.
You say that nobody has the right to judge, yet the bible says to judge in righteousness. That means we are supposed to judge everything in retrospect to God's law.
You judged yourself when you said, "I don't see anything wrong in saving lives which I think is what soldiers do". That was making a judgement. The problem with your judgement, is that you didn't judge in righteousness. Remember that judging in righteousness is to judge everything in retrospect to God's law.
Well, Thou shalt not kill. What do you think a soldier has to do to save lives. he has to take lives. you think it is great because it is done under the banner of freedom. As soft and fluffy as that may seem. What about those people that have to give up their freedom so that we can feel all soft and fluffy? Little children that are going to bed scared an hungry. Where is the justice in that. Jesus had the perfect peace plan that ensured everyone's freedom rights. Thou shalt not kill.
Whether it is you transgressing that law, or a terrorist. Somebody is still going to lose their freedom rights because the law was transgressed.
God had a point to the ten commandments.
Anyways, I hope that you have a fat supper and your sleep is sweet, while there are little boys and girls that have no food, and are crying out in the darkness. Quite possibly because some soldier killed their parents.
So I seen a video on a website (I can't find it now to post) last week and it was of two christians at a church event debating killing.
The soldier said he had to kill someone in the Army when he was overseas and he felt it was ok to do and God would be ok with it since in the bible it says laying down your life to protect yourself when left with no choices is ok to do. Even more so if your protecting someone else.
But the other man feels it was bad and a sin really. He said killing the man could have been avoided if the man had not joined the army. In other words he made the choice to join and left himself no option but to have to kill someone if the time came. So it may have been self defense, but it all could have been avoided and therefor the soldier sinned because he shouldn't have put himself in that situation. Essentially a christian should't join something that lets you kill people.
They continued to debate and eventually argued and said harsh things. So what is your view on this? Is killing a man as a citizen different then killing a man as a soldier since you put yourself in that situation? I have opinion either way really since in the end God decides what is wrong/right.
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