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Is it OK to disobey?

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In Malchi 3:6 (Amplified) The Lord says "For I am the Lord, I do not change; that is why you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

Then in 1 Samuel 15:22 God through Samuel said "Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice".

So, in your opinion "is it ever OK to disobey God".

Either way you believe please supply scriptures to back what you believe.
 

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Is it ok with whom?
Is it ok with yourself at the time your disobeying..probally...
Is it ok to God? Well If i posted verses on that one I would crash the site!
Will you get away with it? Will God give you a spankin???
My vote is ya....its NOT OK, will you lose your salvation??? NO!
 
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Quaffer your quest is rather vague.

What do you mean by OK?

But I'd say of course its best not to disobey. We all want 2b as obedient to God as poss.

But it's not always possble unless we're perfect. and God knew that, so Jesus comes along and did all the obeying for us (fulfilled the Law and never sinned).

So on the otherhand, its "OK" to disobey (every now n then we do fall) in the sense that we will stil be right with God (only the blood!) and God will still love us.

righteousness has nothing to do with obedience cos its a grace gift. but disobeying will have its consequences. eg smoking leads to lung cancer.

i'm rambling but i hope you understnd what I'm trying to say :)
 
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Sorry for any vaigness. 

I hear a lot of christians saying "God understands why I don't tithe, forgive, stop gossiping, etc., etc., etc.."

I use to work for a Christian orginization and one time during the "devo's" the leader read the part where Paul wrote "rejoice in the Lord always, again I say rejoice". Then he looked up and said "oh come on, nobody does this".  My thought was "why don't we do it"?  Is is disobedience to not do what we are told to do?

I know that we have varied personalities, but if the Lord tells us to rejoice are we being disobedient to refuse to do it?  Some people shout and scream at ball games but at religious events refuse to shout for God.  And judge others because they are doing it.

If the Lord tell us it's sin to gossip, is it OK to do it anyway under the guise of wanting to warn people?  Or prayer request where we reveal things about other people that would hurt them if they found out?  

I know that being human, we fall short, without meaning to. . .but what about when it's deliberate?  Isn't there scripture that talks about the one who goes on deliberately sinning?  What can one expect to reap from sowing disobedience?  What can one expect to reap from sowing obedience? 

One time a co-worker refused to say something in my presense because "you're a christian and don't condone gossip", and another co-worker who claimed being a christian said, "well I'm a christian and don't condone it either but I like to listen to it anyway."  :(

Personally, I don't think it's ever OK to disobey God.  Do I fall short of that ideal?  Yes, but God corrects me and I repent and go on in my walk with God, being careful to not fall in that area again.  But from some I hear from alot of christians (new and older)the attitude, "oh God understands", and they continue to go on the way they are.  

So, I was just wondering what others think.  Is God dealing with you in the areas that you know you are falling short?  Or, do you think it does not matter?
 
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Originally posted by Quaffer
I know that we have varied personalities, but if the Lord tells us to rejoice are we being disobedient to refuse to do it?  Some people shout and scream at ball games but at religious events refuse to shout for God.  And judge others because they are doing it.

Rejoicing does not invariably refer to shouting, outbursts, interruptions, etc.

Let me ask you this: if someone that is trying to listen to a message is distracted and misses a part of the sermon because the person next to her is howling in her ear, do you think the screaming person is sinning?
 
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Praise and worship is generally not during the middle of a message so . . .if it is praise and worship time and it is acceptable behavior in that church to praise God with freedom in dancing, shouting, etc., then is it disobedience to refuse to worship (even quietly) simply because you don't like the way other people around you are doing it?

That leads to another question: what do you (anybody) think worship and praise will be like in heaven?

And in answer to your question humblejoe, I don't believe the person is sinning inless they are deliberately making noice for the purpose of distraction. 

This person does need instruction though.  They are usually just overzealous people who mean well but have had no or improper instruction.  There is a way to do that without putting their fire out completely.  Being overzealous for Jesus is not a sin.

However, and I'm not advocating disrupting a sermon on a continuous basis but if you look in the book of Acts, chapter 10, verses 44 - 48 (Amplified) "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all who were listening to the message. And the believers from among the circumcised [the Jews] who came with Peter were surprized and amazed, because the free gift of the Holy Spirit had been bestowed and poured out largely even on the Gentiles.  For they heard them talking in [unknown] tongues (languages) and extolling and magnifying God."

Peter's sermon was interrupted and he just went with the flow.

 
 
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Originally posted by humblejoe
Perhaps it's my personality, I don't know. But I have never felt inclined to shout or dance during worship. Is that a sin?

 

Only if you believe that God wants you to, and your in a place where it is acceptable to but your choosing not to.

It's not really my personality either but I do believe God enjoys it.  So, since I go to a church where it is acceptable, I make myself join in.  It's gotten easier with time.  There's a great deal of freedom in worshiping God with "exceeding joy".  Has anybody ever thought what "exceeding joy" looks like?

He dances over us (Zeph 3:17) so I want to dance before Him.  I also believe it to be a great form of spiritual waring.  Since the devil is under our feet (Rom 16:20) I imagine I'm dancing on his head :D
 
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Originally posted by Quaffer
He dances over us (Zeph 3:17) so I want to dance before Him.

I know this is nitpicking, but I don't see this in the scripture. :scratch:

The LORD your God is in your midst, a victorious warrior. He will exult over you with joy, he will be quiet in His love, he will rejoice over you with shouts of joy. - Zephaniah 3:17, NASB

The Lord your God is in the midst of you, a Mighty One, a Savior [Who saves]! He will rejoice over you with joy; He will rest [in silent satisfaction] and in His love He will be silent and make no mention [of past sins, or even recall them]; He will exult over you with singing. - Zephaniah 3:17, Amp

I don't see dancing in either one of these, even the Amp that you like to use. And BTW, I thought the Amp version was a bit disturbing. It adds a lot that I don't see in the scripture.
 
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It seems to me that disobeying God is a sin, but disobeying something that claims to be God, but which you don't believe is really God, may not be a sin.

In other words, if someone tells me that God does not want me to listen to Peter Gabriel, because he was involved in the production of a movie that this person feels was blasphemous, I don't think I'm sinning to disagree, because I feel that beautiful music can bring me closer to God.

On the one hand, obviously, disobeying God *defines* sin, and is therefore presumably "not okay". It may be "okay" in that sins are forgiven, but it's still not a good idea... at the same time, we *can't* perfectly obey God, so you shouldn't beat yourself up about it when you fail. And you should be cautious when other people tell you what they think God wants, or how they think you should understand the Bible.

Do your best, and trust in God.
 
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Originally posted by humblejoe


I know this is nitpicking, but I don't see this in the scripture. :scratch:

The LORD your God is in your midst, a victorious warrior. He will exult over you with joy, he will be quiet in His love, he will rejoice over you with shouts of joy. - Zephaniah 3:17, NASB

The Lord your God is in the midst of you, a Mighty One, a Savior [Who saves]! He will rejoice over you with joy; He will rest [in silent satisfaction] and in His love He will be silent and make no mention [of past sins, or even recall them]; He will exult over you with singing. - Zephaniah 3:17, Amp

I don't see dancing in either one of these, even the Amp that you like to use. And BTW, I thought the Amp version was a bit disturbing. It adds a lot that I don't see in the scripture.

I don't view it as nitpicking :)

Strongs Concordance:

Rejoice:to exult, rejoice. To exult, display joy

Joy: joy, mirth, gladness, gaiety, pleasure, joy of God, glad result, happy issue

Joy: to rejoice, exult, be glad

Since a display of great, exultant, glad joy usually includes dancing I don't see that as too farfetched.  But if you do, then how would you describe great, exultant, and glad joy?  What is it supposed to look like?

As far as the Amplified Bible go's I have copied from the preface page: "the purpose is to reveal, together with the single English word equivalent to each key Hebrew and Greek word, any other clarifying meanings that may be concealed by the traditional translation method.  Perhaps for the first time in an English version of the Bible, the full meaning of the key words in the original text is available for the reader. In a sense, the creative use of amplification merely helps the reader comprehend what the Hebrew and Greek listener instinctively understood (as a matter of course)." 
 
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Originally posted by Quaffer
Since a display of great, exultant, glad joy usually includes dancing I don't see that as too farfetched.  But if you do, then how would you describe great, exultant, and glad joy?  What is it supposed to look like?

"great, exultant, glad joy" could include a loving embrace, kisses, tears, etc. But I can't really visualize it as a polka... :D

Perhaps you should define what you mean by "dance".
 
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Originally posted by humblejoe


"great, exultant, glad joy" could include a loving embrace, kisses, tears, etc. But I can't really visualize it as a polka... :D

Perhaps you should define what you mean by "dance".

Well, there are all kinds of dances.  I can't imagine "hearing" polka music in heaven :)  but who knows?

When I've watched people win thousands of dollars on Wheel of Fortune I've seen them jump up and down, cry, twirl, and grab Pat Sajak and spin him around.

I think it's a dance uniquely the Lord's.  We have not seen it yet.  It's kinda like that song "I Could Only Imagine" I can't remember exactly how the words go but some of the questions are. . I can only imagine when I see Your face. . .will I sing for You Jesus, what will my heart feel, will I dance for you Jesus, or in awe of You be still.  Will I sing hallelujah, or will I be able to speak at all. .

I think each of us will respond differently and I think Jesus will respond uniquely His way to each of us.  Dancing is dancing.  Whether it's a polka :D  or a waltz :) or twirling :clap: or whatever.

Have you ever heard Carman's song "7 Ways to Praise The Lord"?  It gives 7 different styles of worship using the hebrew words.   Some of them mean quiet and reverant.  And some of them mean wild.  Pretty cool song.
 
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Originally posted by lambslove
I can picture God enjoying a good polka!!

 :clap:

(use your own polka music here)

Rally round' the throne

Jesus has brought us great joy

He is the one,

Who gave all, so we could enjoy,

His grace is perfect,

He gave so that all could be free

So rally round' the throne,

Cause' we're all home

 :clap:

 

Well, whatdoyaknow, I can hear Polka music :D
 
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