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Just logged on a few minutes ago and saw a banner ad for Easter Costumes. So, I clicked on it and found this......

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This is not an aged Sasquatch costume (although it sure looks like one!), but one that supposedly resembles Moses, or, if you prefer Rav Mo'she.

Oh my!

You know, it's taken a few years since I became an Adventist to kinda get used to the whole Christmas thing.....honestly, it still kinda surprises me somewhat to this day that Adventists (not all) celebrate Christmas to some extent. And yes, I've read Mrs. White.....so I see the point, a little anyway.

But Easter? I'll never, ever get used to Easter, not considering the obvious origins of pagan "Sun" worship. One thing I've always felt that as Adventists we should learn to embrace, observe and understand - especially in light of the rich and wonderful knowledge Adventist have regarding the Heavenly Sanctuary, all the Biblical feast and ceremonies. I'm not suggesting we all run out back, and slice the neck a lamb....that's been done, Praise the Lord, once and for all. But we should learn to understand each and every one of the feasts, holy days and special Sabbaths and mark their occasion in order for a greater knowledge to be realized in our church of what these ceremonies mean - then and now.

In the meantime, if you feel compelled to dress up little Johnny or little Janey in "Biblical costumes" this pagan "sun" worship festival here's the link: www.easterbunnycostumesinc.com/easterpromo
 
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RND,

When I became an Adventist and began studying in earnest how the "holy days" of christianity came into being, my wife and I decided not to celebrate any of them having wanting nothing to do with paganism. Now, as for Easter, I've done quite abit of study on this and came to the realization that the Passover, which most christians now call Easter, falls on a different day of the week every year. We know through Scripture that Christ was crucified on the last day of Passover and we should be observing it as such, in other words, when the Jews observe Passover, on the last day we should be observing what is known as Easter, but it should be observed as a whole event, the death, the burial and the resurrection. Until this is done I see no sense in observing anyday what so ever, but will remember these events when I participate in the Lord's Supper (which I have another opinion concerning this as well.)

In Christ
 
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RND,
Thank you for your post; and I must answer, "No, it’s not just you." I too am disturbed at such blatant misuse of biblical information. How does it make sense to fashion an Easter costume after a biblical figure that never recognized that day, never taught or endorsed it, has no part in it whatsoever? Moshe would have considered the day as pagan as seething a calf in its mother's milk. It seems a bit convoluted to me.

On an extended note: I believe us Adventists, at least those who recognize that ‘holidays’ such as Easter and X’mas are of heathen origin, find ourselves in a no-man’s land of sorts. Allow me to explain: If we (rightfully) disregard the pagan ‘holidays’, which are so prevalent in our culture, then the church member is left with no holidays in which to celebrate; a void of sorts is created. It just makes sense so to me then that we should turn to the biblically sanctioned (and commanded) holidays of scripture – yes, the feasts of the LORD. Not only would the void be filled but we can rest in the happy assurance that we are observing the same times of happiness and joy that our Savior did. Hmmm… seems like a no-brainer to me.

In His love,
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PaleHorse,

When my wife and I decided not celebrate the "regular" christian holy days I thought at first we might miss something, however, once we informed all of our relations of our intent and once the holy days came and went we found that these days were actually the same as anyother day of the year. Do I miss these days? No. Do I need any holy days to replace them? No, I have the Sabbath of the Lord to celebrate each and every week. This to me is enough, it is a day I have learned to hold reverantly because IT IS the day which God wishes to commune with us. I eagerly await the day in which we will commune with God on His day face to face.

In Christ.
 
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That's quite the costume RND! If I saw someone wearing that, especially when I was a child, I'd be screaming bloody murder and running in the opposite direction.

That doesn't even look like an aged man...it looks like an evil man to me.

Easter is getting too "halloweeny" anyway if you ask me.

It's pagan alright, and we do not celebrate it in our home. There are many, many ways to celebrate the new growth of spring, and Easter isn't one of 'em.

The discussion about it is always interesting, though, that's for sure. I guess every Sunday is some kind of mini-Easter in some people's opinions. That's why they keep Sunday right? Because Jesus rose on that day of the week. Seems redundant to celebrate a Sunday once a year too.

It's foolishness. That's my opinion.



 
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RND,
Thank you for your post; and I must answer, "No, it’s not just you." I too am disturbed at such blatant misuse of biblical information. How does it make sense to fashion an Easter costume after a biblical figure that never recognized that day, never taught or endorsed it, has no part in it whatsoever? Moshe would have considered the day as pagan as seething a calf in its mother's milk. It seems a bit convoluted to me.

On an extended note: I believe us Adventists, at least those who recognize that ‘holidays’ such as Easter and X’mas are of heathen origin, find ourselves in a no-man’s land of sorts. Allow me to explain: If we (rightfully) disregard the pagan ‘holidays’, which are so prevalent in our culture, then the church member is left with no holidays in which to celebrate; a void of sorts is created. It just makes sense so to me then that we should turn to the biblically sanctioned (and commanded) holidays of scripture – yes, the feasts of the LORD. Not only would the void be filled but we can rest in the happy assurance that we are observing the same times of happiness and joy that our Savior did. Hmmm… seems like a no-brainer to me.

In His love,
PaleHorse

Hi welcome back!!! :wave:
 
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Happy Easter?

This is the title of the latest entry on my blog at You Are Israel - please let me know what you think.

I tried to comment on your blog but I've forgotten my password. I am trying to reset it, but it's not working.

What I started to write is that my cousin once told me that she "keeps" Sunday because it is the day of the week Christ rose from the grave. So I asked her, "okay, so what is your Easter for again?"

She didn't have an answer.

I also asked her if there is any other EVENT in her life (an anniversary, birthday, etc) that always falls on the same day of the week.

Of course there wasn't any....except Thanksgiving.
 
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That picture looks scary!

Is this your blog? If so, what do you mean by "embrace all of the feasts and festivals of the Torah and the Prophets, and learn and investigate the meaning behind the Bible feasts and festivals?"

By embrace, do you mean observe? How are they not nailed to the cross? Also If I'm not mistaken, there is plenty study within Adventism regarding the meaning behind Bible feasts and festivals. I haven't studied it in depth yet but would like to soon.
 
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That picture looks scary!

Is this your blog? If so, what do you mean by "embrace all of the feasts and festivals of the Torah and the Prophets, and learn and investigate the meaning behind the Bible feasts and festivals?"

By embrace, do you mean observe?

Mark the occasions of and learn the meaning behind the feast, festivals and holy days.

How are they not nailed to the cross?
The debt owed was nailed to the cross. Not the ceremonies. Great study:




Also If I'm not mistaken, there is plenty study within Adventism regarding the meaning behind Bible feasts and festivals.
With the Adventism is embracing Easter and Christmas these days? I think EGW says something about the apostasy of the SDA church.

I haven't studied it in depth yet but would like to soon.
Cool! :thumbsup:
 
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RND, several years ago when I became painfully aware of the pagan origins of the x-mas and istar, my husband and I decided to stop 'observing' them. I told my children that there would no longer be x-mas gifts (I replaced them with a 'love gift' that is combined with their birthday money) and no more chocolate bunny hunts (ask Audra about this one--lol) at our home. Those 'HOLIdays' were over for us. I'm sure they thought I had 'gone over' the bridge on this!! lol But they were kind about it and no one said a word, to me, at least-lol. And I have not missed those days at all. As a matter of fact, getting rid of those pagan burdens has resulted in much freedom.

But what about the feasts of the Lord? For years I thought that too were nailed to the cross, but am beginning to change my mind on this. But thats another dicussion:)
 
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RND, several years ago when I became painfully aware of the pagan origins of the x-mas and istar, my husband and I decided to stop 'observing' them. I told my children that there would no longer be x-mas gifts (I replaced them with a 'love gift' that is combined with their birthday money) and no more chocolate bunny hunts (ask Audra about this one--lol) at our home. Those 'HOLIdays' were over for us. I'm sure they thought I had 'gone over' the bridge on this!! lol But they were kind about it and no one said a word, to me, at least-lol. And I have not missed those days at all. As a matter of fact, getting rid of those pagan burdens has resulted in much freedom.

But what about the feasts of the Lord? For years I thought that too were nailed to the cross, but am beginning to change my mind on this. But thats another dicussion:)

As you know, my family and I have also stopped 'observing' the baptized pagan 'holy' days of Ishtar & the whole x'mas debacle. Instead we've started to give little gifts throughout the year to help show our love and appreciation for one another.

Also, there was a time that I too believed the feasts of the Lord were 'nailed to the cross' but I've come around to a new understanding. Firstly, practically every line of reasoning we use as Adventists to substantiate 7th-day Sabbath observance can also be immediately applied to the feasts. (Don't get me wrong, however, feast-keeping will not save you; no more than observing the weekly Sabbath will.)
One line of reasoning that we are familiar with is rooted in Daniel 7:25;

"And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

As we know, this verse is in reference to the "little horn/antichrist" power. In this verse, God is telling us one of the ways we will be able to identify this 'power'. But here is the catch - it God turns around and changes His own times and laws (supposedly at the cross of Christ's passion) then He would be applying to Himself a description of the antichrist that He is warning us about. I do not believe God would do such a thing for the confusion it would cause His flock would be immeasureable.

This is just one of dozens of reasons why I do not believe the feasts of the Lord God were nailed to the cross and that the feasts have great significance to a disciple of Yeshua today.
 
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Hi,


I was reading some of the comments in this thread "...not the feasts, but the debt was nailed to the cross..."

I'd like to bring some of my thoughts, bible and SOP quotes for consideration.

The feasts were types and shadows that centered around sacrifice and offerings officiated by human priests.

After Christ's death, resurrection and ascension, the earthly ministry was transferred to the heavenly ministry, the earthly sanctuary gave way for the heavenly, the human priesthood was abolished for Christ's priesthood.

Now I've asked Messianic Jews who insist on feast keeping: how do you keep/observe them with the sacrifice done away? I've never gotten a definitive answer.

It's true we are not saved by keeping the sabbath holy. But we are judged by the 10 commandments include the sabbath commandment. We are not judged by the ceremonial laws. They were kept outside of the Ark of Covenant. The 10 commandments, not the ceremonial laws are the requirement of the covenant/contract.

Read Acts 15. The first Christian Council in Jerusalem declared 'law of Moses' not binding on New Testament Christians.

What was nailed to the cross? The 70 week prophecy told us sacrificial offerings would cease at the cross.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

Did God change His laws? The moral laws which are a transcript of Christ character are immutable. But ceremonial laws were provisional. After the types and shadows met the reality, they were no longer needed. The ceremonial laws were changed.

According to the author of Hebrews, the Levitical priesthood laws were changed in favor of Christ's priesthood.

Hebrews 7
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Many in the Christian world also have a veil before their eyes and heart. They do not see to the end of that which was done away. They do not see that it was only the ceremonial law which was abrogated at the death of Christ. They claim that the moral law was nailed to the cross. Heavy is the veil that darkens their understanding. The hearts of many are at war with God. They are not subject to his law. Only as they shall come into harmony with the rule of his government, can Christ be of any avail to them. They may talk of Christ as their Saviour; but he will finally say to them, I know you not. You have not exercised genuine repentance toward God for the transgression of his holy law, and you cannot have genuine faith in me, for it was my mission to exalt God's law. {RH, April 22, 1902 par. 15}

“There are many who try to blend these two systems, using the texts that speak of the ceremonial law to prove that the moral law has been abolished; but this is a perversion of the Scriptures. The distinction between the two systems is broad and clear. The ceremonial system was made up of symbols pointing to Christ, to His sacrifice and His priesthood. This ritual law, with its sacrifices and ordinances, was to be performed by the Hebrews until type met antitype in the death of Christ, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. Then all the sacrificial offerings were to cease. It is this law that Christ ‘took . . out of the way, nailing it to His cross.’ Colossians 2:14. But concerning the law of Ten Commandments the psalmist declares, ‘Forever, O Lord, Thy Word is settled in heaven.’ Psalm 119:89.”—{PP, p365.1}.

“While the Saviour’s death brought to an end the law of types and shadows, it did not in the least detract from the obligation of the moral law. On the contrary, the very fact that it was necessary for Christ to die in order to atone for the transgression of that law, proves it to be immutable.”—{PP, p365.3}.

“Christ was standing at the point of transition between two economies and their two great festivals. He, the spotless Lamb of God, was about to present Himself as a sin offering, that He would thus bring to an end the system of types and ceremonies that for four thousand years had pointed to His death. As He ate the Passover with His disciples, He instituted in its place the service that was to be the memorial of His great sacrifice. The national festival of the Jews was to pass away forever. The service which Christ established was to be observed by His followers in all lands and through all ages.”—{DA, p652}.

“Christ’s death and resurrection completed His covenant. Before this time, it was revealed through types and shadows . . Christ’s sacrifice is the glorious fulfillment of the whole Jewish economy. The Sun of Righteousness has risen. Christ our righteousness is shining in brightness upon us.”—{7 Bible Commentary, 932}.

“After Christ died on the cross as a sin offering the ceremonial law could have no force. Yet it was Laws Abolished at the Cross The Feast Days connected with the moral law, and was glorious. The whole bore the stamp of divinity, and expressed the holiness, justice, and righteousness of God. And if the ministration of the dispensation to be done away was glorious, how much more must the reality be glorious, when Christ was revealed, giving His lifegiving, sanctifying Spirit to all who believe?”—{6 Bible Commentary, 1095}.

“But there is a law which was abolished, which Christ ‘took out of the way, nailing it to His cross.’ Paul calls it the law of commandments contained in ordinances.This ceremonial law, given by God through Moses, with its sacrifices and ordinances . . was to be binding upon the Hebrews until type met antitype in the death of Christ as the Lamb of God to take away the sin of the world. Then all the sacrificial offerings and services were to be abolished. Paul and the other apostles labored to show this, and resolutely withstood those Judaizing teachers who declared that Christians should observe the ceremonial law.”—Signs, September 4, 1884.

Paul had dedicated himself and all his powers to the service of God. He had received the truths of the gospel direct from heaven, and throughout his ministry he maintained a vital connection with heavenly agencies. He had been taught by God regarding the binding of unnecessary burdens upon the Gentile Christians; thus when the Judaizing believers introduced into the Antioch church the question of circumcision, Paul knew the mind of the Spirit of God concerning such teaching and took a firm and unyielding position which brought to the churches freedom from Jewish rites and ceremonies.”—{AA, p199-200}.

“These false teachers were mingling Jewish traditions with the truths of the gospel. Ignoring the decision of the general council at Jerusalem, they urged upon the Gentile converts the observance of the ceremonial law. “The situation was critical. The evils that had been introduced threatened speedily to destroy the Galatian churches. “Paul was cut to the heart, and his soul was stirred by this open apostasy on the part of those to whom he had faithfully taught the principles of the gospel. He immediately wrote to the deluded believers, exposing the false theories that they had accepted and with great severity rebuking those who were departing from the faith.”—{AA, 383-384}.

“We can know far more of Christ by following Him step by step in the work of redemption, seeking the lost and the perishing, than by journeying to old Jerusalem. Christ has taken His people into His church. He has swept away every ceremony of the ancient type. He has given no liberty to restore these rites, or to substitute anything that will recall the old literal sacrifices. The Lord requires of His people spiritual sacrifices alone.”—{RH Feb 25, 1896}.

The old covenant instituted at Sinai was a provisional covenant of which the ceremonial laws were parts of expired when Christ died on the cross.

The new covenant instituted at the fall of man is the eternal covenant and was ratified at the cross.

Hebrews 10
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
 
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Hi all... Just popping in to say


I just discovered a couple of quotes from E G White. The reason that they are of interest to me, is because of my interest in the fall feasts and there prophectic significance. Has anyone here been doing much study on this subject??

"All the ceremonies of the Jewish law were prophetic, typical of mysteries in the plan of redemption." Volume 6, Bible Commentary, p. 1095. E.G. White

Speaking of the feast days which occurred in the spring relating to the first advent, Passover, Unleavened Bread, Wave Sheaf, and Pentecost, Ellen White writes,

"These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time....." Then continuing she writes, "In like manner the types which relate to the second advent must be fulfilled at the time pointed out in the symbolic service." Great Controversy, p. 399, 400. E.G. White
 
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