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Is it just me or are the shelves getting emptier again???

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I know that stock has never fully recovered but it seems in my area things are emptying out again. You have to have correct change because of the change shortage. Today I saw signs that there is a national aluminum shortage as well. So you may not be able to get your canned drinks, etc. I’m even having a hard time getting canned cat food for my cats. Just wondering if this is happening to anyone else.
 

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I know that stock has never fully recovered but it seems in my area things are emptying out again. You have to have correct change because of the change shortage. Today I saw signs that there is a national aluminum shortage as well. So you may not be able to get your canned drinks, etc. I’m even having a hard time getting canned cat food for my cats. Just wondering if this is happening to anyone else.

Here ... seems to be pretty well stocked .... however ... do notice not as much variety .... ie ... not as many brands to choose from.
 
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Here ... seems to be pretty well stocked .... however ... do notice not as much variety .... ie ... not as many brands to choose from.
It’s crazy. Shopping is a crapshoot anymore.
 
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Maybe it is just Australia and it says something about us, but the first thing to go in a panic is toilet paper. Go figure?

One Aussie company has however risen to the challenge. Who Gives a Crap
 
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Maybe it is just Australia and it says something about us, but the first thing to go in a panic is toilet paper. Go figure?

One Aussie company has however risen to the challenge. Who Gives a Crap

My corner of the US, and I believe may other corners as well, had the same toilet paper panic buying and resultant shortages.
 
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It’s crazy. Shopping is a crapshoot anymore.
I haven't been on the inside of a grocery store for about four months now. We do the on-line order and delivery thing now.

But it kind of reminds me of when I was in a country in Africa for a few years. If you saw something you sort of wanted, you bought it and even bought multiples because you were never sure if it would be there next month. And sometimes it wouldn't be. In the USA we had a functional 'just in time' market, so nobody needed to hoard. But that's over now, and supply is irregular.

The trick will be shifting to a scarcity market. The urge will be to hoard. But as we saw with toilet paper, hoarding is pretty stupid too. Yet if you don't hoard you better have a bidet.
 
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We're having the change shortage here in my area of California, too. I haven't noticed any aluminum-packaged products running out, but I don't buy soda cans or cat food or anything like that.

Maybe this will force companies to look into more sustainable packaging options. \_(ツ)_/
 
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Same thing happened in Russia under communism. They used to have endemic shortages, they used to have to stand in bread lines for hours just to get bread.

Looks like the socialists here are taking a toll. It will likely only get worse.
 
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Same thing happened in Russia under communism. They used to have endemic shortages, they used to have to stand in bread lines for hours just to get bread.

Looks like the socialists here are taking a toll. It will likely only get worse.

I'm not sure the two are all that similar. Yes, communists had shortages. Theirs was due to economic plans that just didn't work (the gov't being in full control of supply and output).
Consumer goods in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

Our situation has a different cause. Demand abruptly shifted, quicker than supply could adjust. Presumably, a kind of stasis will develop where supply will eventually adjust. Of course, another shift could occur...

I just dont think it's accurate to say socialists are causing the shortages. We have a pandemic which has changed demand. A free market is supposed to shift with changes. That's how it works.
 
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I'm not sure the two are all that similar. Yes, communists had shortages. Theirs was due to economic plans that just didn't work (the gov't being in full control of supply and output).
Consumer goods in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

Our situation has a different cause. Demand abruptly shifted, quicker than supply could adjust. Presumably, a kind of stasis will develop where supply will eventually adjust. Of course, another shift could occur...

I just dont think it's accurate to say socialists are causing the shortages. We have a pandemic which has changed demand. A free market is supposed to shift with changes. That's how it works.


Pandemics that matter when people want to go to work and don't matter when people want to riot don't seem like real important pandemics to me...

Just saying...
 
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Pandemics that matter when people want to go to work and don't matter when people want to riot don't seem like real important pandemics to me...

Just saying...

I get it. If it were only happening here, those inconsistencies would also raise red flags for me in regards to the legitimacy of the pandemic. But this thing is worldwide. It's really real. The fact that our particular society seems unable to act accordingly says more about us than it does the legitimacy of the pandemic.

All things being equal, I think things will adjust in time. Things may even be better than before. :)
 
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I'm not sure the two are all that similar. Yes, communists had shortages. Theirs was due to economic plans that just didn't work (the gov't being in full control of supply and output).
Consumer goods in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

Our situation has a different cause. Demand abruptly shifted, quicker than supply could adjust. Presumably, a kind of stasis will develop where supply will eventually adjust. Of course, another shift could occur...

I just dont think it's accurate to say socialists are causing the shortages. We have a pandemic which has changed demand. A free market is supposed to shift with changes. That's how it works.
I agree. It's not just Socialism/Communism that results in shortages. It's also market fragility due to crop failures, wars in the region, currency manipulation by larger neighboring countries, lots of things that may have nothing to do with the government in question. Or corruption, aid payments that inhibit natural market forces, or just waiting for the ship delayed by a storm to come in.
 
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I know that stock has never fully recovered but it seems in my area things are emptying out again. You have to have correct change because of the change shortage. Today I saw signs that there is a national aluminum shortage as well. So you may not be able to get your canned drinks, etc. I’m even having a hard time getting canned cat food for my cats. Just wondering if this is happening to anyone else.
Yes, there seems to have been an increase lately in a variety of items missing from the shelves. Sadly, this may be the case, off and on, for many more months.
 
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I get it. If it were only happening here, those inconsistencies would also raise red flags for me in regards to the legitimacy of the pandemic. But this thing is worldwide. It's really real. The fact that our particular society seems unable to act accordingly says more about us than it does the legitimacy of the pandemic.

All things being equal, I think things will adjust in time. Things may even be better than before. :)


I do think even worldwide this disease is being used and seen as more political in nature...

The mortality numbers so far in the U.S. are running just under 4% of (known or at least more severe) infections, and around 4.2% worldwide...

That's not minor but it's not the promise of millions dead in the U.S. alone by years end that caused people to lockdown in the first place.

Meaning, at this point any reaction to the virus is for political expediencies sake, and not because of the virus at all...

In the U.S. around 60 thousand die annually due to the flu, more to pneumonia related illnesses, with the coronavirus those deaths are way down, and COVID deaths are up.

Meaning, I don't think COVID has the impact most people think it does (it's really just trading what people are dying from anyway), and politicians know it and just using the panic (globally) for their own purposes..

It's not unheard of. I'm not saying the disease isn't real, just that it's not as scary as all that and politicians are using it anyway... riding thay gravy train all the way.

Otherwise they'd be freaking out across the board, when people broke social distancing guidelines, instead of pretending there are no guidelines when it comes to their "teams", and mass casualties ensured when it's not.

It's that which is causing most people to be unsure how to react.
 
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I have not noticed any shortages in northern West Virginia, southwestern PA. They were out of Grape Nuts cereal the last time I shopped, but they told me the truck hadn’t come in yet.
 
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I'm not sure the two are all that similar. Yes, communists had shortages. Theirs was due to economic plans that just didn't work (the gov't being in full control of supply and output).
There's probably more similarity than one sees at first glance.

Under communism, everyone was assured an income, but people didn't put as much effort into their work, because their income was assured. People had enough money, but there was nothing to buy, because people weren't producing. There would have been a rush on the markets, and there would have been hoarding, but the government imposed rationing.

In our case, with so many people out of work and staying home, and with so many taking unemployment checks, we had the same case of lowered production without proportional money shortage, at least initially. The primary difference is that we never had effective rationing to stave off the hoarding.

It's like I've always thought: healthy economies aren't driven by buying, but by production.
 
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