Is it inevitable?

[Joe67]

Rom 3:23
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; KJV

Rom 5:12-14
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. KJV

The flesh is not capable, in its present vileness, of performing perfect love. Feigned love is the best that the outward man can perform through the will of the flesh and the glory of man.

Let us not glory in appearance, lest we be found to glory in his presence and suffer the wrath to come.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The flesh is not capable, in its present vileness, of performing perfect love.

I agree.

Feigned love is the best that the outward man can perform through the will of the flesh and the glory of man.

Man has seen love. Man has the ability to practice love. However, his attempts will not be perfect. In this thread, I don't sense anyone making a plea for perfect love.

Let us not glory in appearance, lest we be found to glory in his presence and suffer the wrath to come.

Let us not glory in discension for the mere sake of discension. Let us not judge. Let us not quickly condemn those whom we have never met. Let us not assume that we are the mature ones while all others are the immature. Let us not assume that others are the swine when it may be us who don't deserve the pearls. Let's allow our yes to be yes and our no to be no, but let's speak loving, unveiled tones. Let's not speak about other's love for darkness without first facing our own. Let's practice love, even if it begins with the mere appearance of it.

BFA

 

[Princessdi]

Ok, so now I know 6 FB holdouts! I can try to send you the link in PM, if you like BFA.

I'm not on Facebook, but it sounds interesting!!

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Ok, so now I know 6 FB holdouts! I can try to send you the link in PM, if you like BFA.

i'd love that . . . thank you!

BFA

 

[Joe67]

I agree.



Man has seen love. Man has the ability to practice love. However, his attempts will not be perfect. In this thread, I don't sense anyone making a plea for perfect love.



Let us not glory in discension for the mere sake of discension. Let us not judge. Let us not quickly condemn those whom we have never met. Let us not assume that we are the mature ones while all others are the immature. Let us not assume that others are the swine when it may be us who don't deserve the pearls. Let's allow our yes to be yes and our no to be no, but let's speak loving, unveiled tones. Let's not speak about other's love for darkness without first facing our own. Let's practice love, even if it begins with the mere appearance of it.

BFA

BFA,

I hope that we all speak as the oracles of God.

2 Cor 5:12-13
12 For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.

13 For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause. KJV

1 Thess 5:18-24
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

19 Quench not the Spirit.

20 Despise not prophesyings.

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I hope that we all speak as the oracles of God.

Me too.

BFA

 

[Joe67]

Me too.

BFA

BFA,

The Lord has previously given us to agree on sin and forgiveness through blood, and now has given us to agree on the simplicity of witness as the spirit gives us to speak.

Between forgiveness and witness there is the intermediate area of the room of grace and its accompanying tribulations. As the Lord moved my thoughts from strong legalism into faith, the arena of grace seemed like returning unto being saved by works. This was a powerful difficulty in an emotional way to me from approximately 30 years of age until my early 50's.

It was emotionally painful to read that part of Paul's witness that spoke of his labors and suffering to minister to the Body of Jesus. It did not seem to connect with Galatians 3 and 4 and Romans 3-5.

The book of Hebrews was a further struggle wherein it spoke of suffering and sanctification and perfection.

Praise the Lord, as I am now almost 70, and little by little the Lord Jesus has been putting the pieces of the chain together in my heart and mind.

Much of what the Lord Jesus has given me to post on this forum would have been emotionally painful to me 30 years ago when it seemed to me that faith was the end of the journey. Faith was wonderfully sweet when it came to me, for I was heavily burdened under Moses by the time I left the SdA academia process.

The Lord our God has a pathway that leads to the Father wherein he is guiding each one of us his elect children.

May the grace of God be with all of us in his elect purpose.

Your brother in the Lord Jesus Christ,
Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

BFA,

The Lord has previously given us to agree on sin and forgiveness through blood, and now has given us to agree on the simplicity of witness as the spirit gives us to speak.

Between forgiveness and witness there is the intermediate area of the room of grace and its accompanying tribulations. As the Lord moved my thoughts from strong legalism into faith, the arena of grace seemed like returning unto being saved by works. This was a powerful difficulty in an emotional way to me from approximately 30 years of age until my early 50's.

It was emotionally painful to read that part of Paul's witness that spoke of his labors and suffering to minister to the Body of Jesus. It did not seem to connect with Galatians 3 and 4 and Romans 3-5.

The book of Hebrews was a further struggle wherein it spoke of suffering and sanctification and perfection.

Praise the Lord, as I am now almost 70, and little by little the Lord Jesus has been putting the pieces of the chain together in my heart and mind.

Much of what the Lord Jesus has given me to post on this forum would have been emotionally painful to me 30 years ago when it seemed to me that faith was the end of the journey. Faith was wonderfully sweet when it came to me, for I was heavily burdened under Moses by the time I left the SdA academia process.

The Lord our God has a pathway that leads to the Father wherein he is guiding each one of us his elect children.

May the grace of God be with all of us in his elect purpose.

Your brother in the Lord Jesus Christ,
Joe

Joe . . . Thanks for sharing more information regarding your journey. I'm always fascinated to learn more about people's stories. It's through their stories that you learn more about their heart and the reasons why things are important to them.

Yes, there was a time when I saw faith as a destination. But I've seen what naturally results from faith and I don't question the Spirit's abilities. I know that the Spirit creates change in the hearts of justified people and I praise Him for it. However, because it is His work and not mine, I don't spend alot of time worrying about it. There are things the Spirit convicts me to do. When He does, I listen.

It is for this reason that I started this thread. I believe that -- with the Spirit -- it is possible for people to be more conscious of the words they use and the way they treat people. In my mind, it is OK for us to spur one another on toward good works. This was my intent in this thread.

BFA

 

[Joe67]

Joe . . . Thanks for sharing more information regarding your journey. I'm always fascinated to learn more about people's stories. It's through their stories that you learn more about their heart and the reasons why things are important to them.

Yes, there was a time when I saw faith as a destination. But I've seen what naturally results from faith and I don't question the Spirit's abilities. I know that the Spirit creates change in the hearts of justified people and I praise Him for it. However, because it is His work and not mine, I don't spend alot of time worrying about it. There are things the Spirit convicts me to do. When He does, I listen.

It is for this reason that I started this thread. I believe that -- with the Spirit -- it is possible for people to be more conscious of the words they use and the way they treat people. In my mind, it is OK for us to spur one another on toward good works. This was my intent in this thread.

BFA

BFA,

My flesh is always warring against the measure of grace that comes through faith. The Lord is making me more conscious of the spiritual idolatry and sorcery that is woven in my flesh like threads of gold. He is afflicting my soul for this spiritual abomination, yet he gives me grace for grace out of the fullness of his grace in Jesus our Lord. Sufficient unto the day is the evil of it.

Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. KJV

Gal 5:5
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. KJV

He gives us hope while we are against hope, like our father, Abraham.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

My flesh is always warring against the measure of grace that comes through faith. The Lord is making me more conscious of the spiritual idolatry and sorcery that is woven in my flesh like threads of gold. He is afflicting my soul for this spiritual abomination, yet he gives me grace for grace out of the fullness of his grace in Jesus our Lord.

I suspect that my experience has been quite similar. This instills in me greater faith, gratitude and worship, not concern.

BFA

 

[Joe67]

I suspect that my experience has been quite similar. This instills in me greater faith, gratitude and worship, not concern.

BFA

BFA,

Praise the Lord that the fullness of his grace, that justifies us in heaven in Jesus, is working his salvation in our hearts and minds and saving us from our sins as we serve the Body of Jesus on earth, searching for the lost elect children of Jesus. Thus the love of God which enters at the door of our heart, through faith, is shed abroad in our hearts by the daily measure of his grace and its hope, through tribulations in service.

Phil 2:12-16
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. KJV

1 Tim 2:15
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. KJV

Heb 2:12-13
12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Someone recently suggested that former SDAs do not want to know the truth and nothing you will be able to say to them will be enough. Is this a commonly held perception of former SDAs? If so, what is it's root?