Is it hypocritical?

[Maynard Keenan]

Is it hypocritical when we treat homosexuals in a different way than we treat other sinners? Especially when we ourselves are all sinners?

When we think it is ok to evict someone for being gay. To fire someone for being gay. To bar gays from adopting? To talk about them and treat them as if they are the filthiest of all sinners?

When no one would think to evict someone if they found out they view pornography. When no one gets fired for sleeping around. When no one wants to bar remarried people from adopting. When men will laugh and joke about "scoring" with the hot coworker, or joke about masturbating but condemn gays. When people who I KNOW either have had affairs or are having affairs or extra-marital relations condemn gays.

It all absolutely DISGUSTS me. When did we decide that gays are the scapegoat? When did we decide that we can wallow in sin but feel good about ourselves because at least we aren't as bad as those filthy gays? When did we become such amazing hypocrites, imitating the people whom Jesus himself condemned? I'm not going to come on here and try to argue about the sinfulness of homosexual relations. I will come on here and argue that our culture has made a scapegoat out of gays, and offend God when we sit and talk about how bad "they" are which in comparison makes us so "good." Am I the only one so completly repulsed by this?

I may not be gay myself but I have gay friends and a gay family member and to hear such ignorant hypocrites, sinners themselves, condemn them as if they are the worst offenders against God makes me SICK.

 

[Chie]

Is it hypocritical when we treat homosexuals in a different way than we treat other sinners? Especially when we ourselves are all sinners?

When we think it is ok to evict someone for being gay. To fire someone for being gay. To bar gays from adopting? To talk about them and treat them as if they are the filthiest of all sinners?

When no one would think to evict someone if they found out they view pornography. When no one gets fired for sleeping around. When no one wants to bar remarried people from adopting. When men will laugh and joke about "scoring" with the hot coworker, or joke about masturbating but condemn gays. When people who I KNOW either have had affairs or are having affairs or extra-marital relations condemn gays.

It all absolutely DISGUSTS me. When did we decide that gays are the scapegoat? When did we decide that we can wallow in sin but feel good about ourselves because at least we aren't as bad as those filthy gays? When did we become such amazing hypocrites, imitating the people whom Jesus himself condemned? I'm not going to come on here and try to argue about the sinfulness of homosexual relations. I will come on here and argue that our culture has made a scapegoat out of gays, and offend God when we sit and talk about how bad "they" are which in comparison makes us so "good." Am I the only one so completly repulsed by this?

I may not be gay myself but I have gay friends and a gay family member and to hear such ignorant hypocrites, sinners themselves, condemn them as if they are the worst offenders against God makes me SICK.

Most interesting and truthful post
It is amazing how some will strain a gnat and swallow a camel.

 

[Pogue]

*nod* I think sometimes people feel that they've done their 'good deed for the day' by condemning homosexuals. It means that they don't need to do something like give to the poor, which is very clearly commanded in the Bible, because they think they've already done something good.

NOTE: I'm not suggesting that all people who condemn/are opposed to homosexuality do not give to charities. Just that sometimes, some people tend to focus on one issue, and not a more important one.

 

[ReformedChapin]

*nod* I think sometimes people feel that they've done their 'good deed for the day' by condemning homosexuals. It means that they don't need to do something like give to the poor, which is very clearly commanded in the Bible, because they think they've already done something good.

NOTE: I'm not suggesting that all people who condemn/are opposed to homosexuality do not give to charities. Just that sometimes, some people tend to focus on one issue, and not a more important one.

Really?

All the people I know who deny homosexuality want to have a clear biblical structure in their life not works.

 

[metherion]

Oh, yes, it is extremely hypocritical and extremely un-Christian.

All the people I know who deny homosexuality want to have a clear biblical structure in their life not works

Well, then, perhaps they should make sure their structure include chapters 2 and 3 of the letter of James. Also, 1 John 3:11-18, and the letter to the Galatians, especially the end (chapters 5 and 6).

And then try to talk about wanting Biblical structure without works.


Metherion

 

[colormebeautiful]

I agree with you. It's un-Christ like to treat ANYONE poorly for ANY reason whatsoever. We need to follow Jesus's example and "feed his sheep" - ALL of them. God loves every person equally and unconditionally.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Oh, yes, it is extremely hypocritical and extremely un-Christian.



Well, then, perhaps they should make sure their structure include chapters 2 and 3 of the letter of James. Also, 1 John 3:11-18, and the letter to the Galatians, especially the end (chapters 5 and 6).

And then try to talk about wanting Biblical structure without works.


Metherion

Can you please explain further...I hope you're not stating that faith shouldn't have works becuase that wasn't my point.

 

[KTskater]

It's exteamly hypocritical. I know from personal experiance that it is a difficult thing to deal with. God have brought me out of that battle thorugh grace. Many homosexuals really just want to be straight, but they don't havethe knowledge on how to wait on God to either change them, or give them to stregnth to live chaste.

 

[metherion]

Actually, I was specifically stating versus that show undeniably that it does need works. It is impossible to have a clear Biblical structure without them, as they are part of the very Bible itself.

After reading the verses above, it is impossible for someone to be intellectually honest and try to say faith does not require works.

So all the people you know who deny homosexuality and want Biblical structure rather than works want the impossible, for it is impossible to have one without the other.

I was not intending to say that you specifically preached faith without works (since I don't know you or your theology well enough), merely that "all the people you know who deny homosexuality" seem to from how you said it.

Unless I misunderstood you in which case I have just been a big idiot and apologize.

Metherion

 

[ReformedChapin]

Actually, I was specifically stating versus that show undeniably that it does need works. It is impossible to have a clear Biblical structure without them, as they are part of the very Bible itself.

After reading the verses above, it is impossible for someone to be intellectually honest and try to say faith does not require works.

So all the people you know who deny homosexuality and want Biblical structure rather than works want the impossible, for it is impossible to have one without the other.

I was not intending to say that you specifically preached faith without works (since I don't know you or your theology well enough), merely that "all the people you know who deny homosexuality" seem to from how you said it.

Unless I misunderstood you in which case I have just been a big idiot and apologize.

Metherion

You did misunderstand me. My point is that deeds aren't why they practice good works. They do it for Christ not for their "daily good deed."

 

[BAFRIEND]

No.

I do not feel it is hypocritical.

It is one thing for sin to go along with the grain of nature, it is another to have an aversion to sin that goes against nature.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I find it sort of funny that you say that you are not going to condemn gays, yet from your post you seem to place it in the same category as, masturbating, pornagraphy, scoring, extramarital affairs (adultery).

Go figure. It seems to me that your feelings about gay lifestyles are in agreement with mine.

Also, the reason I post against the gay lifestyle on CF is because of all the homosexuals who constantly and obsessively continue to argue on here that their lifestyle is acceptable to Christianity. Untrue. As long as they attack God and my religion then I will debate. Because that makes me sick.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I find it sort of funny that you say that you are not going to condemn gays, yet from your post you seem to place it in the same category as, masturbating, pornagraphy, scoring, extramarital affairs (adultery).

Go figure. It seems to me that your feelings about gay lifestyles are in agreement with mine.

Also, the reason I post against the gay lifestyle on CF is because of all the homosexuals who constantly and obsessively continue to argue on here that their lifestyle is acceptable to Christianity. Untrue. As long as they attack God and my religion then I will debate. Because that makes me sick.

I agree with most of what you said except for the fact that we are supposed to refute homosexual advocates in a loving manner. And no I don't mean the wussy liberal loving manner but in a respectful strong manner.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

I find it sort of funny that you say that you are not going to condemn gays, yet from your post you seem to place it in the same category as, masturbating, pornagraphy, scoring, extramarital affairs (adultery).

Go figure. It seems to me that your feelings about gay lifestyles are in agreement with mine.

Also, the reason I post against the gay lifestyle on CF is because of all the homosexuals who constantly and obsessively continue to argue on here that their lifestyle is acceptable to Christianity. Untrue. As long as they attack God and my religion then I will debate. Because that makes me sick.

You totally missed the point of my post. I treat all of them the same. A lot of people on these forums, and a lot of other people who at least call themselves Christians have a huge double standard where they act like homosexuals are the worst offense against God but either indulge in other forms or sexual sin themselves, or give a pass to those who do. I'm not saying it isn't sinful. But I don't treat a practicing homosexual any differently than I do any other form of sinner.

 

[fevoldj2]

I agree with most of what you said except for the fact that we are supposed to refute homosexual advocates in a loving manner. And no I don't mean the wussy liberal loving manner but in a respectful strong manner.

Why do you make it a point to attack liberals in nearly every post you make? Seriously, grow up.

 

[Der Alte]

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[RMDY]

Why do you make it a point to attack liberals in nearly every post you make? Seriously, grow up.

Conservatives and Liberals always fight.

 

[fevoldj2]

Yes, but he's the only one that I constantly see directly attacking liberals most of the time unprovoked. It's similar to walking along in the city, seeing a peaceful person, and shooting him in the foot and then just walking by, saying nothing.

 

[RMDY]

Yes, but he's the only one that I constantly see directly attacking liberals most of the time unprovoked. It's similar to walking along in the city, seeing a peaceful person, and shooting him in the foot and then just walking by, saying nothing.

Christ once said a house cannot stand if its divided.

 

[RMDY]

Imagine what those non-christians think when christians attack each other over scripture.