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Haha, no, that's a cop out. And not a very good one. In western civilisation, we have a culture of guilt, (blame it on the Catholics) i.e., self-imposed punishment. It doesn't matter if you get caught or not, you're still guilty, you just haven't been punished for it.
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It's still cheating, whether or not you're ever caught.
Assuming that you're talking about cheating in some sort of academic setting, you're betraying your own work ethic and sense of honor, violating the teacher's trust in your commitment to do the work honestly, and possibly harming your classmates.
Assuming that you're talking about cheating in some sort of academic setting, you're betraying your own work ethic and sense of honor, violating the teacher's trust in your commitment to do the work honestly, and possibly harming your classmates.
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Cheating is cheating even if you don't get caught.
I suppose you could say cheating is cheating even if you didn't realize you were doing it but thats a semantics issue.
I suppose you could say cheating is cheating even if you didn't realize you were doing it but thats a semantics issue.
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No, you don't have to get caught, it's still cheating. Good point about the guilt culture; in a shame culture, people probably wouldn't think of it as cheating unless you get caught.
As far as cheating in academics is concerned: my husband is a teacher and he always tries to persuade his students that cheating is immoral, but you'd be surprised to find that many, many students think it is acceptable as long as you don't get caught - and some of my husband's colleagues agree!
"You're allowed to cheat, as long as I don't catch you doing it." My husband always says that whether he sees you or not, you're being immoral anyway when you cheat. But he's the exception. So maybe we're getting a shame culture instead of a guilt culture. 
As far as cheating in academics is concerned: my husband is a teacher and he always tries to persuade his students that cheating is immoral, but you'd be surprised to find that many, many students think it is acceptable as long as you don't get caught - and some of my husband's colleagues agree!
"You're allowed to cheat, as long as I don't catch you doing it." My husband always says that whether he sees you or not, you're being immoral anyway when you cheat. But he's the exception. So maybe we're getting a shame culture instead of a guilt culture.
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As far as cheating in academics is concerned: my husband is a teacher and he always tries to persuade his students that cheating is immoral, but you'd be surprised to find that many, many students think it is acceptable as long as you don't get caught - and some of my husband's colleagues agree!
Those students just cheat themselves out of an education. And after they graduate (if they do) they cheat themselves out of a life and earned self-respect.
And those teachers (not your husband) cheat themselves out of any genuine respect I might have had for them.
So maybe we're getting a shame culture instead of a guilt culture.
I'm not familiar with those terms. Would you please explain them?
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In short: Shame is something on the outside: you feel bad because others think (or might think) badly of you. Guilt comes from the inside, you feel bad about yourself because you have done something you think of as bad/immoral.
Generally speaking, christian cultures (even if you're an atheist, if you live in western society you live in christian, or judeo-christian, culture) are a guilt culture. Some see islamic countries (not islam per se) as shame cultures (which can explain a bit of honour killings in some countries). Japanese culture can be seen as shame culture too.
Generally speaking, christian cultures (even if you're an atheist, if you live in western society you live in christian, or judeo-christian, culture) are a guilt culture. Some see islamic countries (not islam per se) as shame cultures (which can explain a bit of honour killings in some countries). Japanese culture can be seen as shame culture too.
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