Is it Biblically correct to ask God to avenge for you when you have been wronged?

Wayne Gabler · Jan 14, 2023

grafted branch said:
And one more question if you don’t mind, in Luke 18:8 it asks the question when the Son of man comes will he find such faith? Some people argue the answer is yes, others argue it’s no, what do you think?

Lu:18:8:
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh,
shall he find faith on the earth?
De:4:29-31:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Zec:13:8-9:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

Sabertooth · Jan 14, 2023

Sabertooth said:
Here are some things that we can ask for:...

Also, if what they have done is recognized as criminal, you can report their crime to the appropriate authorities (but do not hold a grudge past that.)

Wayne Gabler · Jan 14, 2023

Sabertooth said:
Also, if what they have done is recognized as criminal, you can report their crime to the appropriate authorities (but do not hold a grudge past that.)

Christians are supposed to purge sinful thoughts (against the 10 Commandments) as soon as they show up, OT only believers can think about revenge for something 24/7 and not be in sin until some action takes place. The different set of emotions is involved, Christians feed the poor, that creates certain emotions, the 12 Tribes focus on how to kill all their (perceived) enemies:
Spiritual is thoughts, carnal is physical acts below.

Ga:5:14-26:
For all the law is fulfilled in one word,
even in this;
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But if ye bite and devour one another,
take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
This I say then,
Walk in the Spirit,
and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit,
and the Spirit against the flesh:
and these are contrary the one to the other:
so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit,
ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest,
which are these;
Adultery,
fornication,
uncleanness,
lasciviousness,
Idolatry,
witchcraft,
hatred,
variance,
emulations,
wrath,
strife,
seditions,
heresies,
Envyings,
murders,
drunkenness,
revellings,
and such like:
of the which I tell you before,
as I have also told you in time past,
that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love,
joy,
peace,
longsuffering,
gentleness,
goodness,
faith,
Meekness,
temperance:
against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit,
let us also walk in the Spirit.
Let us not be desirous of vain glory,
provoking one another,
envying one another.

grafted branch · Jan 14, 2023

Benjamin Müller said:
I didn't know how to answer so I asked my Dad, and we discussed the topic of this thread and he corrected me in a few areas and helped give me clarity. I was conflicted over 'love your enemies' and 'do good to those who persecute you', and the traditional Christianity of turn the other cheek and forgive and I was having trouble reconciling that with vengeance, so I thought perhaps arbitrate was the better word, but Dad says no.

There's no going soft about it. To avenge is to avenge. So I apologize for my falsitude in the previous post(s). I take back the matter of semantics and concede that it is not arbitration. You opened a really good thread that had to get me thinking and consolidating my beliefs, so I appreciate you doing this.

I rated you a winner because of your honesty and integrity, it’s not always seen during discussions on the forum.

Benjamin Müller said:
My Dad brought up a question that really got me thinking: if someone is truly unrepentant are we obligated to forgive them?

Obviously Christians are going to say yes, of course, but if we are to forgive all things what is the purpose then of the Lake of Fire? Obviously we hope no one gets that far, but it exists for a reason.

John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

This is something that I had thought about during another thread, which eventually led me to start this thread.

In Matthew 23:35 it says that upon you (Jerusalem) may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth. The question came up “What about righteous blood that gets shed after 70AD, who is responsible for that blood?”. I thought about this and suggested that during the Old Covenant being avenged is a legitimate request but after the Old Covenant vanishes it could be that righteous people no longer request to be avenged but instead forgive. Therefore no righteous blood will be avenged for after 70AD. I cited Matthew 18:18 which cross references with John 20:23 as a reason for this possibility.

I see that you would disagree with this from your posts, which is why I’m interested in looking at your view.

Ok, I’m not looking to debate this but just sharing what I was thinking about.

Wayne Gabler · Jan 14, 2023

grafted branch said:
I rated you a winner because of your honesty and integrity, it’s not always seen during discussions on the forum.

This is something that I had thought about during another thread, which eventually led me to start this thread.

In Matthew 23:35 it says that upon you (Jerusalem) may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth. The question came up “What about righteous blood that gets shed after 70AD, who is responsible for that blood?”. I thought about this and suggested that during the Old Covenant being avenged is a legitimate request but after the Old Covenant vanishes it could be that righteous people no longer request to be avenged but instead forgive. Therefore no righteous blood will be avenged for after 70AD. I cited Matthew 18:18 which cross references with John 20:23 as a reason for this possibility.

I see that you would disagree with this from your posts, which is why I’m interested in looking at your view.

Ok, I’m not looking to debate this but just sharing what I was thinking about.

The Priests in the Temple that day were taking the blame for all the unpunished sins of the 12 tribes in the past, as well as any sins they will commit until they are gathered via the Re:20:4 resurrections. When He returns and resurrects them, He can take them to the tree of life right away as their sins have gone through the process below. It is for the Great White Throne people before they are let to the tree of life in new Jerusalem:
Heb:12:3-8:
For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself,
lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood,
striving against sin.
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children,
My son,
despise not thou the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening,
God dealeth with you as with sons;
for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement,
whereof all are partakers,
then are ye bastards,
and not sons.

Those same Priests that were blinded by God see Jesus as the Messiah after He resurrects them from the grave:
Eze:37:10-14:
So I prophesied as he commanded me,
and the breath came into them,
and they lived,
and stood up upon their feet,
an exceeding great army.
Then he said unto me,
Son of man,
these bones are the whole house of Israel:
behold,
they say,
Our bones are dried,
and our hope is lost:
we are cut off for our parts.
Therefore prophesy and say unto them,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold,
O my people,
I will open your graves,
and cause you to come up out of your graves,
and bring you into the land of Israel.
And ye shall know that I am the LORD,
when I have opened your graves,
O my people,
and brought you up out of your graves,
And shall put my spirit in you,
and ye shall live,
and I shall place you in your own land:
then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it,
and performed it,
saith the LORD.

grafted branch · Jan 14, 2023

Wayne Gabler said:
Those same Priests that were blinded by God see Jesus as the Messiah after He resurrects them from the grave:
Eze:37:10-14:

Wayne Gabler said:
Behold,
O my people,
I will open your graves,
and cause you to come up out of your graves,
and bring you into the land of Israel.

Wasn’t this fulfilled in Matthew 27:52-53? Wasn’t this the first resurrection?

Benjamin Müller · Jan 14, 2023

grafted branch said:
Wasn’t this fulfilled in Matthew 27:52-53? Wasn’t this the first resurrection?

No, that wasn't the fulfillment of the 1st Resurrection. At least, I don't think so.

Acts 2:29 "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."

We know that King David will be in the 1st Resurrection because he will be king over Israel.

Psalm 2:7-8 records that God is giving the nations and the earth to Christ as an inheritance and the saints are joint heirs with him (Romans 8:17) They will inherit the earth at Christ's return and that is the 1st Resurrection. Rev. 5:10 states the saints will reign as kings and priests on earth. Other verses: Rev. 2:26; Zechariah 8:3; Daniel 7:18 And none of the saints are reigning as of yet; there is no King David ruling in Israel.

The account in Matt. 27:52-53 could be a vision, similar to the vision of Moses and Elijah. The other possibility is that the earthquake had opened the graves and residents of Jerusalem had seen the bodies of saints. It does state they appeared, but a look into the Strong's the word could mean 'exhibit' or 'declare'. The verse is written in a vague sort of way that it sounds like the saints were awake and conscious, walking about, but I would make the argument that that is assumed. The bodies may have been dead and seen (exhibited) by residents in Jerusalem. (Speculation; some of the commentaries I read didn't seem convinced the people were alive)

Based on other verses regarding the resurrection, I don't think this is the fulfillment of the 1st Resurrection.

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I'm not ignoring your question regarding Matthew 23:35, I'm just thinking of how to articulate it.

I actually don't believe the Old Covenant has been done away with, which is considered pretty out there and outlandish among pretty much every Christian denomination, I know. Lol.

I believe that Christ has proclaimed the New Covenant and the Church is living according to its terms, but the church is betrothed to Christ. Upon marriage (Rev. 19:7), is the New Covenant sealed. To be betrothed is to be a wife-in-training. The Old Covenant and New Covenant are marriage contracts. I don't believe that God has divorced physical Israel as of yet. Israel therefore is still under the old covenant and will receive both the national blessings and cursings of Deuteronomy 28. (I believe in British-Israelism; britam.org is great site regarding that)

grafted branch said:
Ok, I’m not looking to debate this but just sharing what I was thinking about.

Actually I'm enjoying this thread and your questions because it helps me properly lay out and clarify in my own mind what I believe. I'm not an articulate person so this is helping me lay it all out and then figure out the best way to articulate in a smooth concise manner for the future. I admit that my posts are not ideal. But I appreciate the room to converse and to learn without judgment or swirling fists, because I know I have a lot to learn and a lot of training to get under my belt.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Benjamin Müller · Jan 14, 2023

Also, your questions are making me rethink a few things. The one minister taught that the world isn't be judged right now, and that's what I've been hearing since I was a kid, from multiple ministers, my dad, everyone. But God judged Sodom and Gomorrah; he judges the nations at Armageddon. I'm on a bunny trail of research.

ETA

I think it's because there's a difference in judgment vs condemnation. The world isn't being condemned to the Lake of Fire, but God can intervene as in Sodom and Gomorrah to enact justice. Judgment begins at the House of God, as a priority but judgment can come on other peoples / nations, like Pompeii. Typically it's a hands-off-approach, but God may intervene on occasion.

There's also probably a certain amount of moral law that is encoded in the universe so that God doesn't necessarily have to do anything. Just like laws of physics, if you throw a ball into the air, gravity will make it fall back down. If you wrong a person, it will come back around.

I'm still reading up on material, but at the moment that's where I am in thought.

Genenco · Jan 14, 2023

I have been wronged, on a couple occasions and I wanted revenge, but as I was reading the bible everyday, It was while I happened to read when Jesus was captured and he stopped his disciple from slicing and dicing.

I then simply decided that I wasn't going to stoop to their level and do I refused to "Get back" at them by deed or word. If they approached me now and asked for help, I'd give it.

Wayne Gabler · Jan 14, 2023

grafted branch said:
Wasn’t this fulfilled in Matthew 27:52-53? Wasn’t this the first resurrection?

The Re:20:4 resurrections are on the day Jesus returns and makes the resurrected people from the 12 Tribes and the Gentile Church. Moses is in the Eze:37 resurrection so he (and many others) would be alive in Israel as we speak. He isn't so the ReL20:4 verse cannot be fulfilled. It needs Satan to be in the Pit as describe in the 1st few verses of Re:20.

grafted branch · Jan 15, 2023

Benjamin Müller said:
No, that wasn't the fulfillment of the 1st Resurrection. At least, I don't think so.

Acts 2:29 "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."

We know that King David will be in the 1st Resurrection because he will be king over Israel.

So I would agree based on Acts 2:29 David was still in his sepulcher when when this was written. Matthew 27:52-53 says many (not all) of the bodies of the saints which slept arose. I personally think this is referring to the 144,000 because they are redeemed from the earth in Revelation 14:3 and called first fruits in Revelation 14:4. If David must be in the first resurrection then he is one of the 144,000. In Revelation 14:4 it says they are virgins not defiled with women. David wouldn’t fit that description unless we start to spiritualize the verses.

The account in Matthew 27:52-53 is not found elsewhere, because of this I think some people are reluctant to embrace Matthew 27:52-53 as a resurrection but I personally think it’s an important piece of information that often gets overlooked.

Benjamin Müller said:
The Old Covenant and New Covenant are marriage contracts. I don't believe that God has divorced physical Israel as of yet. Israel therefore is still under the old covenant and will receive both the national blessings and cursings of Deuteronomy 28.

I agree with you in that God does divorce physical Israel, I think it has already happened though. In Jeremiah 31:35-36 God makes a conditional promise that if the ordinances of the sun, moon, and stars depart from before God, Israel will also cease from being a nation before God for ever.

In Genesis 1:14 the ordinance, of the lights in the firmament, are that they are for seasons, days, and years. When New Jerusalem becomes a reality, in Revelation 21:23, it has no need <5532> or business with the sun or moon to shine in it. The ordinances have departed and are no longer used here, so also Israel has ceased from being a nation before God at this point.

Based on these verses there can be no eternal promises made that pertain to Israel as a nation.

Looking at Ezekiel 37:24-26 there are some eternal promises made, “they shall dwell there in … and their children’s children for ever”, “my servant David shall be their prince for ever” and “set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore”.

None of this can be referring to the nation of Israel because of the Jeremiah 31:35-36 promise. I would say these things are referring to the heavenly Jerusalem, the New Covenant in Hebrews 12:22-24.

Benjamin Müller said:
Actually I'm enjoying this thread and your questions because it helps me properly lay out and clarify in my own mind what I believe. I'm not an articulate person so this is helping me lay it all out and then figure out the best way to articulate in a smooth concise manner for the future. I admit that my posts are not ideal. But I appreciate the room to converse and to learn without judgment or swirling fists, because I know I have a lot to learn and a lot of training to get under my belt.

I too am enjoying our conversation and examining my own beliefs. A teacher once said to me if the only thing I do is cause you to think and check the scriptures, I have done my job.

grafted branch · Jan 15, 2023

Wayne Gabler said:
The Re:20:4 resurrections are on the day Jesus returns and makes the resurrected people from the 12 Tribes and the Gentile Church. Moses is in the Eze:37 resurrection so he (and many others) would be alive in Israel as we speak. He isn't so the ReL20:4 verse cannot be fulfilled. It needs Satan to be in the Pit as describe in the 1st few verses of Re:20.

If that is the case then you have to deny a resurrection occurred in Matthew 27:52 or that it’s not the first resurrection. Here we have graves opening and the bodies arose <1453>. This is the same word used in Matthew 28:6, He is not here, for He is risen <1453>. I personally wouldn’t try to declare a passage that has the dead arising and make it somehow not be a literal resurrection.

Wayne Gabler · Jan 15, 2023

grafted branch said:
If that is the case then you have to deny a resurrection occurred in Matthew 27:52 or that it’s not the first resurrection. Here we have graves opening and the bodies arose <1453>. This is the same word used in Matthew 28:6, He is not here, for He is risen <1453>. I personally wouldn’t try to declare a passage that has the dead arising and make it somehow not be a literal resurrection.

Those saints ascended to the Re:4 temple as spiritual beings. They are in the role of the 24 Elders, to become glorified like Jesus (after God took Him to new Jerusalem and the tree of life, so He could then interact with the material world) they come to earth with Jesus and join the resurrected and living people as they are all led to the tree of fife from Eze:47.
The reason they have thrones is that they will pass along they will have learned about Temple service in a sinless temple designed for people that will all live to be much older than just 1,000 years,

Jesus and the 24 Elders in the Re:4 Temple for the last 1900+ years:
1Co:15:20:
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

'Afterwards' is reference to everybody in the Re:20:4-5 list, He gathers a few at the very start of the 1,000 years and the rest as the last act of that 'one day'.
1Co:15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Mal:4:6:
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children,
and the heart of the children to their fathers,
lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

The fiery lake scene is the curse being referenced.

grafted branch · Jan 15, 2023

Wayne Gabler said:
Those saints ascended to the Re:4 temple as spiritual beings. They are in the role of the 24 Elders, to become glorified like Jesus (after God took Him to new Jerusalem and the tree of life, so He could then interact with the material world) they come to earth with Jesus and join the resurrected and living people as they are all led to the tree of fife from Eze:47.
The reason they have thrones is that they will pass along they will have learned about Temple service in a sinless temple designed for people that will all live to be much older than just 1,000 years,

Jesus and the 24 Elders in the Re:4 Temple for the last 1900+ years:
1Co:15:20:
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

'Afterwards' is reference to everybody in the Re:20:4-5 list, He gathers a few at the very start of the 1,000 years and the rest as the last act of that 'one day'.
1Co:15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

So are you in agreement then that the resurrection in Matthew 27:52-53 of saints is the first resurrection in Revelation 20:5-6?

Wayne Gabler said:
Mal:4:6:
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children,
and the heart of the children to their fathers,
lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Malachi 4:6 is fulfilled by John the Baptist according to Luke 1:17

Wayne Gabler · Jan 15, 2023

grafted branch said:
So are you in agreement then that the resurrection in Matthew 27:52-53 of saints is the first resurrection in Revelation 20:5-6?

Malachi 4:6 is fulfilled by John the Baptist according to Luke 1:17

My post didn't promote that at all. The Saints and Jesus were resurrected the same, all of them are in the Re:4 temple, and have been for 1900 years. 25 people were resurrected, when Jesus is included.

These people are gathered at the start and end of the 1,000 years, like I said in my post, when He comes. Maybe you should reread it.

Re:20:4-5:
And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.

This is John the Baptist:
Mal:3:1:
Behold,
I will send my messenger,
and he shall prepare the way before me:
and the Lord, whom ye seek,
shall suddenly come to his temple,
even the messenger of the covenant,
whom ye delight in: behold,
he shall come,
saith th
Joh:1:6-9:
There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.
The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of the Light,
that all men through him might believe.
He was not that Light,
but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light,
which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

This is one of the 24 Elders:
Mal:4:5-6:
Behold,
I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children,
and the heart of the children to their fathers,
lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Re:5:8-10:
And when he had taken the book,
the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,
having every one of them harps,
and golden vials full of odours,
which are the prayers of saints.
And they sung a new song,
saying,
Thou art worthy to take the book,
and to open the seals thereof:
for thou wast slain,
and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred,
and tongue,
and people, and nation;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
and we shall reign on the earth.

By the time God is finished with the fire, the earth is in the same form it was at the end of day1 of creation. Would that qualify as 'a curse'?

Benjamin Müller · Jan 15, 2023

Hebrews 11:39-40 "And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us."

All the saints are resurrected together, except those in the last days who are changed. Matthew 27:52-53 is not the first resurrection. It could be a miraculous event in the order of Lazarus, and those who were saints were brought back long enough to receive the Holy Spirit which would be given at Pentecost, but this is a singular event (if it happened as there are some commentaries that suggest this could have been added in and is not cannon to scripture) But regardless, all the saints are brought up together. Nor are these the elders. Hebrews 11 counts Abraham as one who died not yet receiving the promise of eternal life and the kingdom of heaven. If Abraham is the father of the faithful then of all people, he should be one of the 24, but he isn't.

The first resurrection happens at the 7th trumpet.

I'll remark on Post #94 later when I have a little more time.

Benjamin Müller · Jan 15, 2023

grafted branch said:
In Revelation 14:4 it says they are virgins not defiled with women. David wouldn’t fit that description unless we start to spiritualize the verses.

Women are churches, so I take it in spiritual way not literal. The saints were not defiled by false religion.

grafted branch said:
None of this can be referring to the nation of Israel because of the Jeremiah 31:35-36 promise. I would say these things are referring to the heavenly Jerusalem, the New Covenant in Hebrews 12:22-24.

I'm not sure I understand the flow of your thought here. If Israel is divorced now as you say and we are in the New Covenant then are you saying we are also in the New Jerusalem?

grafted branch · Jan 15, 2023

Wayne Gabler said:
My post didn't promote that at all. The Saints and Jesus were resurrected the same, all of them are in the Re:4 temple, and have been for 1900 years. 25 people were resurrected, when Jesus is included.

Ok, I’m still having trouble understanding your view. Why wouldn’t the resurrection of Jesus and the saints that happened 1900 years ago not be called the first resurrection? What am I missing here, what makes a future resurrection the first when we already had a resurrection?

grafted branch · Jan 15, 2023

Benjamin Müller said:
All the saints are resurrected together, except those in the last days who are changed.

In Daniel 12:2 we have a resurrection of many, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting shame. In Revelation 20:6 it says blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection. It doesn’t seem possible to me that these two verses are describing the same resurrection, someone who gets everlasting shame wouldn’t be considered blessed and holy. So I would say Daniel 12:2 would have to be describing the second resurrection which would mean not all saints are resurrected at the same time.

Benjamin Müller said:
I'm not sure I understand the flow of your thought here. If Israel is divorced now as you say and we are in the New Covenant then are you saying we are also in the New Jerusalem?

Yes, I believe we are in New Jerusalem at least spiritually speaking. I believe the New Covenant and New Jerusalem are the same. In Galatians 4:21-26 it gives a good description of the two covenants. The one covenant that is in bondage is referred to as Jerusalem which now is and the covenant that free is Jerusalem which is above.

Hebrews 8:13 says the old covenant was ready to vanish away. I believe there was an overlap of the covenants, the New Covenant came into force after the cross and the Old Covenant vanished when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD.

Wayne Gabler · Jan 15, 2023

grafted branch said:
Ok, I’m still having trouble understanding your view. Why wouldn’t the resurrection of Jesus and the saints that happened 1900 years ago not be called the first resurrection? What am I missing here, what makes a future resurrection the first when we already had a resurrection?

Jesus and 24 other people were resurrected, the Saints ascended to the Re:4 temple the same day, 40 days later Jesus also ascended to that same temple. All 25 come to this earth on the day the two witnesses are resurrected. They all then witness Jesus pouring out the 7 vials, that kills all mortal and immortal sinners. At that time, Jesus begins to gather the ones not yet gathered.

1Co:15:23:
But every man in his own order: (the sequence)
Christ the firstfruits; (Jesus and the OT Saints, 30AD 25v people in all)
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (Re:20:4 at the start of the 1,000 years, Re:20:4 at the start of the 1,000 years as well as the ones at the end of that same era) When combined it would be Adam and Eve and all their children.

Is it Biblically correct to ask God to avenge for you when you have been wronged?

Is it Biblically correct, on earth, to ask God to avenge for you when you have been wronged?

No

Not now but it will be in the future

Yes it is now but will not be in the future

Yes

Other, please explain

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