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Is it a sin?
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jukesk9
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I say it all depends on several things. First off, I'd like to catch the sorry cat who committed the murder on music row. Traditional, orthodox country ain't played on the radio anymore. So, I've really gotten into some artists who are trying to keep traditional country music alive. No one plays them on the radio and their cds are hard to find. So, I download a couple of songs to see if I think I'd like the cd and then order it off the internet. Second, these guys I'm talking about encourage their music to be swapped to gain a new audience.
Also, I think it depends on your motives. If you download the songs and burn them for yourself or a buddy, I don't think copyrighting is being violated because your not making a lot of copies and distributing them out.
My brother-in-law and I burn cds for each other. He buys a cd he thinks I'd like and he burns it for me. I do the same for him. I don't think this type of stuff constitutes sinful behavior (although a papal encyclical certainly would change my mind!) I think sin would come into play if you are burning cds and then selling them.
As we speak, I'm compiling my favorite Junior Brown songs off of Kazaa and burning them onto a cd. He's awesome in concert and if I would've never burned a prior Junior Brown cd, I wouldn't have forked over 20 bucks to go see him play. So, he's made money off of me already.
Also, I think it depends on your motives. If you download the songs and burn them for yourself or a buddy, I don't think copyrighting is being violated because your not making a lot of copies and distributing them out.
My brother-in-law and I burn cds for each other. He buys a cd he thinks I'd like and he burns it for me. I do the same for him. I don't think this type of stuff constitutes sinful behavior (although a papal encyclical certainly would change my mind!) I think sin would come into play if you are burning cds and then selling them.
As we speak, I'm compiling my favorite Junior Brown songs off of Kazaa and burning them onto a cd. He's awesome in concert and if I would've never burned a prior Junior Brown cd, I wouldn't have forked over 20 bucks to go see him play. So, he's made money off of me already.
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nyj
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Interesting question, and I think jukes gave a good answer. However, I will now present the opposing view. Recently, our university had been contacted by a record company that demanded access to several computers on campus because the record company had detected music downloads of several of their artists, in violation of copyright. The university granted permission and several computers were temporarily seized by I.T. and wiped clean. The university has now issued a warning to all employees. If you're caught with downloaded music (from peer to peer servers such as Kazaa) you will be warned once. If you're caught doing it again, your job will be terminated, immediately.
Whether or not this is legal or not, I'm not sure, but I ain't going to be the one to find out. Paul tells us to submit to government rule, and Jesus tells us to give to Caesar that which is Caesars. I'm inclined to suspect that most peer-to-peer stuff is illegal, or takes advantage of a grey area. It is one thing to copy a CD and use it for personal use (to keep the original in pristine condition) or give it to someone you KNOW. It is another thing entirely to leave them on your computer for the whole world to see. The former keeps financial damage to a minimum, the latter can really damage a company/artist. While I feel little sympathy for some of these millionaires, it is their intellectual property that is being taken advantage of, and if this does trickle down, eventually we could all be targets.
So while I doubt it's a mortal sin, I've confessed to doing this and have stopped doing it. If I want to copy a CD, I'll get it from someone I know from now on.
Whether or not this is legal or not, I'm not sure, but I ain't going to be the one to find out. Paul tells us to submit to government rule, and Jesus tells us to give to Caesar that which is Caesars. I'm inclined to suspect that most peer-to-peer stuff is illegal, or takes advantage of a grey area. It is one thing to copy a CD and use it for personal use (to keep the original in pristine condition) or give it to someone you KNOW. It is another thing entirely to leave them on your computer for the whole world to see. The former keeps financial damage to a minimum, the latter can really damage a company/artist. While I feel little sympathy for some of these millionaires, it is their intellectual property that is being taken advantage of, and if this does trickle down, eventually we could all be targets.
So while I doubt it's a mortal sin, I've confessed to doing this and have stopped doing it. If I want to copy a CD, I'll get it from someone I know from now on.
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Yes. I think it is. I read an examination of conscious before confession once prepare by a priest that said burning CD's and things of this nature are sins.
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I'm going to disagree. When it comes to movies, it's different because most of the movies people want you need to pay for to see. With music, it's everywhere, on the radio, on the T.V. . If I gave the effort I could get the music off the radio although the copy wouldn't be as good. While I think stealing cable, satellite etc., is sinful, I don't agree that downloading music is because it is given to us free on the radio.
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Peace be with you.
For those interested, here's a link concerning the criminal law on this topic (in part): http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/506.html
For practical purposes, unless you're doing this on a very large scale and making large amounts of revenue doing it, no AUSA is going to prosecute you. There are some interesting legal arguments though concerning the distributors of the "free" downloads that are yet to be settled.
They argue that they are giving away the music, thus avoiding one of the elements of the criminal violation. But they ARE making money through the sale of promotional space to advertisers knowing that large numbers of people will go to the site for the downloads. Sounds like a good court case to me.
Now the civil issues are a whole other arena.
Is it sinful or not? That's a hard one for me. My gut says that it is (not that I presume to know God's view, but this is my own). I can see all sorts of rationalizations I would use, but my very first reaction, without any thoughtful consideration, is that it is sinful. Sometimes I just have to follow that "voice".
God Bless and stay safe.
For those interested, here's a link concerning the criminal law on this topic (in part): http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/506.html
For practical purposes, unless you're doing this on a very large scale and making large amounts of revenue doing it, no AUSA is going to prosecute you. There are some interesting legal arguments though concerning the distributors of the "free" downloads that are yet to be settled.
They argue that they are giving away the music, thus avoiding one of the elements of the criminal violation. But they ARE making money through the sale of promotional space to advertisers knowing that large numbers of people will go to the site for the downloads. Sounds like a good court case to me.
Now the civil issues are a whole other arena.
Is it sinful or not? That's a hard one for me. My gut says that it is (not that I presume to know God's view, but this is my own). I can see all sorts of rationalizations I would use, but my very first reaction, without any thoughtful consideration, is that it is sinful. Sometimes I just have to follow that "voice".
God Bless and stay safe.
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fragmentsofdreams
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If it is, there are some problems in our seminary.
I think that one has to look and see whether you are compensating the artists in any way. Do you go see them in concert? Do you use this to decide whether to buy a CD? Do you still buy the CD's of artists you like?
I've probably bought at least twenty CD's as a direct result of downloading the artist's music first. Often, this is the only way for me to find out about their music since most of them are out of the mainstream in the US.
I think that one has to look and see whether you are compensating the artists in any way. Do you go see them in concert? Do you use this to decide whether to buy a CD? Do you still buy the CD's of artists you like?
I've probably bought at least twenty CD's as a direct result of downloading the artist's music first. Often, this is the only way for me to find out about their music since most of them are out of the mainstream in the US.
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OLDoMiNiON
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yeah, thats true Fragments...
I mostly download DJ sets, which are legal since they were aired on the radio and the net anyhow..
I mostly download DJ sets, which are legal since they were aired on the radio and the net anyhow..
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See, it's never even given me a pause I don't think. I have been making tapes off the radio, and from other people's tapes or CD's for years and I have never even given it a double take. I never even knew it was an issue until I had a friend over and he said he thought it was stealing. I'm like, OK but I don't agree. Most of the music I started downloading was music that was hard to find. And quite frankly, I don't see the artists I like suffering because I downloaded a few songs. I think Celine Dion's bank account is safe.
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Unfortunately, it is that line of thinking which leads us into sin though. If I saw Celine Dion's purse lying unattended, am I justified in snatching the cash out of it because "her bank account is safe"?
I'm not saying that any of us would condone that sort of behavior, but if downloading music is like taking money out of her purse, before it even reaches her purse, is it any less of a sin?
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OLDoMiNiON
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One of the ways i see it, is the fact that music companies are selling CD's for what, £15+ in the UK, or $20+ in the US... the actual CD's and production costs being less than 1/5th of that. How Greedy can they be??? Greed is a sin!
Actually, to tell the truth, the artists get hardly any of the profit - it's really the producers and money bags promoters that claim they are "loosing out", although in reality they are not.
Most poeple i know, may download a CD, and if they like it, they will buy it!
The 5% or so (i think it's about that), drop in sales over the past year is not caused by music piracy, it was caused by the bad economy contributed to by the events of Sep 11th. It's suffering like everything else is!
Actually, to tell the truth, the artists get hardly any of the profit - it's really the producers and money bags promoters that claim they are "loosing out", although in reality they are not.
Most poeple i know, may download a CD, and if they like it, they will buy it!
The 5% or so (i think it's about that), drop in sales over the past year is not caused by music piracy, it was caused by the bad economy contributed to by the events of Sep 11th. It's suffering like everything else is!
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