Is It A Sin to touch?

[threeinone]

eheh No, I'm just saying I think you'll find the word "saints" in the Bible can be easily translated "believers" and that you won't find anyone addressed as "Saint so and so". The way the Bible uses the word and the way most of us use it now are two different things.

I found the word saints used in Jude 3. Do you know where else it is used? I found a website that talks of the Old Testament believers and the New Testament saints. But I don't know what religion that is. Each religion has its own customs and bible usage. I find that as I get accustomed to particular customs, I don't mind so much. It is just the initial shock that is difficult, like calling yourselves saints. I would never do it but I would get acclimatized. If you could find the biblical definition of saint(as you mentioned), that would help.

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=2761

 

[White Horse]

I found the word saints used in Jude 3. Do you know where else it is used? I found a website that talks of the Old Testament believers and the New Testament saints. But I don't know what religion that is. Each religion has its own customs and bible usage. I find that as I get accustomed to particular customs, I don't mind so much. It is just the initial shock that is difficult, like calling yourselves saints. I would never do it but I would get acclimatized. If you could find the biblical definition of saint(as you mentioned), that would help.

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=2761

Here's all the listings in the NT. http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=saint&version1=9&searchtype=all&bookset=2

 

[threeinone]

Here's all the listings in the NT. http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=saint&versi
on1=9&searchtype=all&bookset=2

Oh I get it now. Thank you WH

I have known this for some time. Each bible is written according to the customs and usage of that particular religion. In the place of the word "saint(s)" in my bible, is "faithful one(s)". And in someone else's bible it might read something else. Quite personally, having read those excerpts with the word "saints", my interpretation would be that the place is Heaven and the "saints" spoken of would be the angels around God - one passage says that "all the saints around me" ....... that sounds like Heaven to me, not earth. Just my interpretation. This really is just how I see it. I just checked the KJV which I generally refer to because so many people use it, and the word saints is used also. Most interesting.

and in the New American Bible, it is "holy ones"

 

[Gukkor]

Not everything is Black & White in the bible (eating meat offered to Idols is one example)

An important truth that is unfortunately not understood by a great many Christians.

 

[threeinone]

An important truth that is unfortunately not understood by a great many Christians.

What does eating meat offered to idols got to do with us today

 

[Gukkor]

What does eating meat offered to idols got to do with us today

Nothing, it's simply an example of my actual point, that being that the Bible isn't always black and white on everything.

 

[threeinone]

Nothing, it's simply an example of my actual point, that being that the Bible isn't always black and white on everything.

I see and agree

 

[Grateful4God]

I supose if you thought about your wife while doing it, and only your wife. It is not a sin

 

[Rockbysea]

I supose if you thought about your wife while doing it, and only your wife. It is not a sin

Better to imagine having sex with your own wife in your mind than to imagine having sex with someone else’s wife in your mind.

 

[JesseRaymondBassett]

I supose if you thought about your wife while doing it, and only your wife. It is not a sin

Nope. Its still sin, because it opens the doorway to a place most married men have trouble with: Pornography.

 

[Gukkor]

Nope. Its still sin, because it opens the doorway to a place most married men have trouble with: Pornography.

I'm know I'm just asking for trouble here, but for the sake of discussion: what exactly is wrong with viewing pornography? *ducks head to avoid things being thrown at him*

 

[threeinone]

I'm know I'm just asking for trouble here, but for the sake of discussion: what exactly is wrong with viewing pornography? *ducks head to avoid things being thrown at him*

* ducking too*

Nothing, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody including oneself.

Masturbating is not a sin either as long as nobody is being hurt including oneself.

* still ducking *

 

[Mling]

Somebody could make a case for inciting lust (not just arousal, but true lust--the bad kind), and for the exploitation of the human body.

While I generally agree there, I tend not to get too upset over it.

People will also make the slippery slope/gateway claim--that it is addictive and will draw the person into "harder" porn styles and more and more desperate need for masturbation and perversity, until they can't get off except by boiling children in acid while scourging themselves with barbed wire.

While it is probably true that those people who do need to boil children in acid while scourging themselves with barbed wire probably did start with Playboy, it is also true that all heroin addicts started on milk.

 

[Rockbysea]

I'm know I'm just asking for trouble here, but for the sake of discussion: what exactly is wrong with viewing pornography? *ducks head to avoid things being thrown at him*

We need a 'thing throwing” icon here.

Well Gukkor, I hate ta throw this seemingly lame brain old line at ya but, "Would Jesus do it?"

 

[Quantos]

We need a 'thing throwing” icon here.

Well Gukkor, I hate ta throw this seemingly lame brain old line at ya but, "Would Jesus do it?"

I'd doubt it, but then again Would Jesus spend His time on a Computer Forum ? Playing Computer Games, Watching Movies, Ect...

 

[Rockbysea]

Nope. Its still sin, because it opens the doorway to a place most married men have trouble with: Pornography.

I agree but (I’m taking a good guess) about 99% of most folks are already into some sort of visual pornography while masturbating whether imaginary or real. He may want to use the method of just thinking about his wife as a way to wean himself off the habit.

You know it's very difficult, if not impossible, to suddenly and permanently stop masturbating, especially, if it’s something one has been doing everyday for decades. If he forces himself to just think about his wife then eventually he’ll begin to do it less, because just like having sex with your wife, as time goes on (and we all know this) sex becomes more rare and so will his masturbation. And as one masturbates less and less and develops a new habit of keeping those thoughts out of their mind, the urges become less and less.

 

[Rockbysea]

* ducking too*

Nothing, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody including oneself.

Masturbating is not a sin either as long as nobody is being hurt including oneself.

* still ducking *

Where's that rottin tomato icon

 

[threeinone]

WWJD methinks that is something we do a lot when looking at other people

 

[Rockbysea]

I'd doubt it, but then again Would Jesus spend His time on a Computer Forum ? Playing Computer Games, Watching Movies, Ect...

Jesus would absolutely spend his time on a computer forum with those who profess His name and discusses issues regarding the salvation of souls.

 

[Rockbysea]

Beautiful Rock

I doubt that Jesus would do it. Then again, I doubt that Jesus would do many, if any, of the things we do. To strive to be like Jesus, to do as Jesus, is commendable. WWJD, what would Jesus do is a wonderful question and I wonder what I would do if I was fully God as well as fully man/woman. I do ask myself what would Jesus do, but if we achieved all that Jesus did, well we wouldn't need one another. We'd all be perfect. I have to pick and choose what I can live with and it is between me, any person, and God. And I think masturbating and many other things we do are because we are frustrated in our lives and turn to these things to dull the pain.

Do you suppose that Jesus had all the frustrations the same as we have, bills that He couldn't pay, a boring job, a nagging wife or untrue husband, children in trouble, jail, drugs, alcohol, an abusive mother or father or both, sisters and brothers hating Him.......oh I could go on forever. Where are I going wrong here?

We know that Jesus was tempted in all the things that we’ve been tempted in. In fact, our frustrations (bills, boring job, nagging wife, cheatin husband, children in trouble, jail, drugs, alcohol, abusive parents, being hated by family members) pale compared to the frustrations and suffering our Lord experienced during His ministry. The experience Christ has with regards to horrible suffering (and we all know he greatly suffered) serves us all well because Jesus, through the Holy Spirit and through those that have been sanctioned, can help us overcome these temptations by giving us sound advice in a Spirit of compassion and love.

And if we all worked with the Living Christ, towards elevating ourselves to conform to His likeness, we would all desire one another even more than we do now. And that tremendous desire for each other translates itself as needing one another.