Is It A Sin to touch?

[Gukkor]

His sin was practicing birth control.

The traditional Catholic interpretation, if I recall correctly.

 

[Christiankid101]

lol good luck not thinking of impure thoughts wacking your pud.... lmao

 

[Gukkor]

lol good luck not thinking of impure thoughts wacking your pud.... lmao

I still don't understand why people (guys especially) seem to think such a thing so impossible. For me, at least, it comes pretty easily (pun not intended, nobody go there).

 

[threeinone]

I still don't understand why people (guys especially) seem to think such a thing so impossible. For me, at least, it comes pretty easily (pun not intended, nobody go there).

I'm with you Gukkor. It does not make sense that just because one or two or ten people lust in order to touch......that doesn't mean everybody does.

lol good luck not thinking of impure thoughts wacking your pud.... lmao

Now I looked up "whacking your pud" because I never heard it and I discovered that we are talking here about a "sport?" far more participated in than most here would believe. Sometimes it is easy to type things down that seem real but maybe are a little off. I was going to post all the names for said sport but I will give the URLs. Have a chuckle....we all love ourselves at least a little bit.

http://www.progress.demon.co.uk/Adult_Fun/Masturbation-List.html

http://www.forplu.com/community/life&style/feature/masturbation_terms.htm

 

[Warrior4ChristAL]

It is a gray area and often those are the most dangerous. I encourage you to take the narrow path. Keep in mind

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;

I think touching yourself, even done without lustful thoughts if you can manage that, still opens the door and establishes a stronghold. It becomes easier to have those thoughts when you find someone you are interested in and begin to try to justify it a nd in doing so dishonor that person. Take the safe road and abstain is my advice.

So, if a person cannot abstain they either get married or burn, worse yet, they go out and sin.

NICE!!

 

[Warrior4ChristAL]

All pastors sin yet preach not to sin. They preach against sin even though they themselves do it no matter what the sin is. If this rule of yours should be applied, then the world would be full of silent preachers.

You want to know WHY PREACHERS PREACH that we are NOT TO SIN?

Because this is God's requirement, not the pastor's.

They ARE required to preach the truth.

They don't just say YOU don't sin. We are ALL suppose to desire to please God and not follow after our sinful lusts of fleshly desires.

Pastors included!!

Give me a break!!!!!

 

[Quantos]

lol good luck not thinking of impure thoughts wacking your pud.... lmao

So thinking of making my wife happy is bad ?

 

[Warrior4ChristAL]

The traditional Catholic interpretation, if I recall correctly.

The Jews have been around since LONG before Catholism and that is THEIR interpretation of the Scriptures given to THEM!!

The "sin" involved was refusing to give his wife an heir and he pulled out of her, spilled his seed on the ground and God stuck him dead.

So, what hidden meaning can YOU find to describe it?

 

[Kepha]

You want to know WHY PREACHERS PREACH that we are NOT TO SIN?

Because this is God's requirement, not the pastor's.

They ARE required to preach the truth.

They don't just say YOU don't sin. We are ALL suppose to desire to please God and not follow after our sinful lusts of fleshly desires.

Pastors included!!

Give me a break!!!!!

And what exactly did you think I was saying Warrior4ChristAL for me to get this response of yours? Did you read why I said what I did at all?

 

[Gukkor]

The Jews have been around since LONG before Catholism and that is THEIR interpretation of the Scriptures given to THEM!!

The "sin" involved was refusing to give his wife an heir and he pulled out of her, spilled his seed on the ground and God stuck him dead.

So, what hidden meaning can YOU find to describe it?

Onan's sin, in my view, wasn't that he pulled out (a ridiculously shallow interpretation), nor even that he refused to give her an heir (an understandable interpretation, but still not really getting to the heart of the issue). Onan's true sin was in his refusal to respect the rights of his late brother and obey the law that God had set in place.

 

[threeinone]

Onan's sin, in my view, wasn't that he pulled out (a ridiculously shallow interpretation), nor even that he refused to give her an heir (an understandable interpretation, but still not really getting to the heart of the issue). Onan's true sin was in his refusal to respect the rights of his late brother and obey the law that God had set in place.

Do you really believe that God would set such a ridiculous law in place? Do you really believe that God would command a man to marry his dead brother's wife and make children with her, children that would not be legally his? I do not believe that God would make a law like that. Sounds like a law that a man would make.

Do I believe in the bible? Yes......within reason and that stuff goes beyond the bounds of reason.

 

[Gukkor]

Do you really believe that God would set such a ridiculous law in place? Do you really believe that God would command a man to marry his dead brother's wife and make children with her, children that would not be legally his? I do not believe that God would make a law like that. Sounds like a law that a man would make.

Do I believe in the bible? Yes......within reason and that stuff goes beyond the bounds of reason.

Point taken, but the fact remains that Onan wasn't stricken down because he practiced birth control or because he masturbated.

I found this article interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

 

[threeinone]

Point taken, but the fact remains that Onan wasn't stricken down because he practiced birth control or because he masturbated.

I found this article interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

I didn't really find that very interesting because I truly believe that God did not make that law so it was not divine and not deserving of any punishment. How did anybody know that he did that.....I find it hard to believe that God just up and killed him(and of course God would know but how would anybody else know)--it's not like we do that in public and if his sister-in-law/wife told on him, that is just as worse really. I wonder how many of us here touch and proclaim loudly its sinfulness here????

 

[Gukkor]

I didn't really find that very interesting because I truly believe that God did not make that law so it was not divine and not deserving of any punishment. How did anybody know that he did that.....I find it hard to believe that God just up and killed him(and of course God would know but how would anybody else know)--it's not like we do that in public and if his sister-in-law/wife told on him, that is just as worse really. I wonder how many of us here touch and proclaim loudly its sinfulness here????

Indeed, it is more likely a story meant to convey a moral lesson, rather than an historical event. The Yahwist scholars did that quite a lot with the Hexateuch.

 

[Calebofthepromisedland]

Well?

Personally I try to avoid it. I see it as a matter of lust which is a sin. Anything that hinders your walk with God is to be avoided. If this hurts you then don't do it. I will prey for God to bring an answer to you Himself.

 

[threeinone]

Indeed, it is more likely a story meant to convey a moral lesson, rather than an historical event. The Yahwist scholars did that quite a lot with the Hexateuch.

In which case it would not be divinely inspired scripture and not necessary to adhere to as many people do the total Old Testament. And if that is just a moral story then I suspect a good deal other of the Old Testament is the same and not divinely inspired scripture. Just an observation

 

[Gukkor]

In which case it would not be divinely inspired scripture and not necessary to adhere to as many people do the total Old Testament. And if that is just a moral story then I suspect a good deal other of the Old Testament is the same and not divinely inspired scripture. Just an observation

True, but if we refuse to look for lessons to gather from it simply because it's not divinely inspired, doesn't that make us pretty much the same as the people who take the Old Testament completely literally?

In any case, I personally think that anything that we can glean real spiritual truth from is divinely inspired, regardless of context or origin.

 

[threeinone]

True, but if we refuse to look for lessons to gather from it simply because it's not divinely inspired, doesn't that make us pretty much the same as the people who take the Old Testament completely literally?

In any case, I personally think that anything that we can glean real spiritual truth from is divinely inspired, regardless of context or origin.

Good point. I agree. Only problem is that I don't see any lesson there. What I see is a man forced to marry his sister-in-law......now I wouldn't marry my brother-in-law for anybody, any reason, and I am positive that God wouldn't ask me to. And the man is forced to give her children that aren't his children although it is his seed that makes them. I wouldn't have intercourse with my brother in law, much less children and the thought of his seed in me makes me shudder, I would rather he spilled them, much prefer it if it got to there. Now what is the lesson there.?

 

[Gukkor]

Good point. I agree. Only problem is that I don't see any lesson there. What I see is a man forced to marry his sister-in-law......now I wouldn't marry my brother-in-law for anybody, any reason, and I am positive that God wouldn't ask me to. And the man is forced to give her children that aren't his children although it is his seed that makes them. I wouldn't have intercourse with my brother in law, much less children and the thought of his seed in me makes me shudder, I would rather he spilled them, much prefer it if it got to there. Now what is the lesson there.?

Put into context (both of of the surrounding passages and the culture of the time), it could be considered a statement about the importance of family loyalty and the duty of family members toward each other.

However, it was more likely written just to bash the Canaanites: http://www.usbible.com/Sex/Onans_sin.htm

Hey, even in the Bible, you can't expect every story to be a spiritual gold mine, eh?

 

[threeinone]

Put into context (both of of the surrounding passages and the culture of the time), it could be considered a statement about the importance of family loyalty and the duty of family members toward each other.

However, it was more likely written just to bash the Canaanites: http://www.usbible.com/Sex/Onans_sin.htm

Hey, even in the Bible, you can't expect every story to be a spiritual gold mine, eh?

LOL ...... I take duty and loyalty to family seriously but not that far so as to sleep with them and give them babies. Imagine if I had a baby but it is not mine.

I will check into that URL later. And some people expect every word in the bible to be of purest gold. I love the bible but not that much