Is It A Sin to touch?

[threeinone]

Chocolate is referring to Making Love to your spouse. Not sex in and by itself. It is the complete act, the entire bar. If your definition of sexual relations with your spouse is not self giving love then it appears what you have left is for oneself only.

LOL Chocolate tastes good, feels good,mmmmmmmm chocolate is sex, how it is used is the question. God did not give sex only to married people. He gave it to everybody, just absolutely everybody and anybody responsible enough to deal with the consequences of having sex(I don't like that expression, I prefer making love but having sex is what a lot of people do), anyway, responsible people can make their own choices and deal with the consequences.

 

[SteelDisciple]

LOL Chocolate tastes good, feels good,mmmmmmmm chocolate is sex, how it is used is the question. God did not give sex only to married people. He gave it to everybody, just absolutely everybody and anybody responsible enough to deal with the consequences of having sex(I don't like that expression, I prefer making love but having sex is what a lot of people do), anyway, responsible people can make their own choices and deal with the consequences.

If they were really responsible they would be living by the principals God has set upon them....by only making love to your spouse.

Anything else shows spiritual immaturity...hence not repsonsible.

That and God SAYS what He intended love making to be for. Anything that stays from His Holy principals is perverting what he originally intended.

 

[threeinone]

If they were really responsible they would be living by the principals God has set upon them....by only making love to your spouse.

Anything else shows spiritual immaturity...hence not repsonsible.

That and God SAYS what He intended love making to be for. Anything that stays from His Holy principals is perverting what he originally intended.

LOL.......your first name must start with Saint

 

[threeinone]

LOL.......your first name must start with Saint

Sorry about that but sex within the marriage is the ideal, the ideal that is seldom followed by the majority of adults, many teenagers and some very young people. I would like to see the ideal followed by everybody but I recognize the sinfulness of us all. Some of us follow the marriage ideal and fail miserably at other things or thing. I prefer to see ideals strived for and sinfulness recognized rather than strict admonishing to all at the least falling away from the ideal. The only one who can point a finger is God who does not fall away from the ideal of anything.

When I read posts full of absolutes with no margin for error, I see sinful people playing God, for we are all sinners. Faced with absolutes, we are doomed to failure as sinners. Faced with an ideal to strive towards, we have room to grow, move forward to the ideal.

 

[Kepha]

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[Kepha]

When I read posts full of absolutes with no margin for error, I see sinful people playing God, for we are all sinners. Faced with absolutes, we are doomed to failure as sinners. Faced with an ideal to strive towards, we have room to grow, move forward to the ideal.

This is ridiculous. Your saying because we sin it's ok to sin. Sorry, but as Christians we are always striving to be sinless, never giving up, constantly repenting when we do. It sounds like you have already conceded defeat to this fleshy world of ours threeinone.

 

[united4Peace]

In some cases some Churches dont consider people married unless they are married in a church....
Also there are many SS couples who live in places where they do not have the privelidge of marrying therefore they have to do what some call "live in sin"(I dont call loving someone living in sin).
There are many that have lived together for years and are very much in love...
As threeinone said there are divorces, infact Ive heard 50 % of first marriages end in divorce and 2nd marriages its higher...
Therefore I think that it is very responsible when someone does find someone that they do love and want to share their life (or a big part of) with regardless of whether they are married or not...its the long term that counts...
As for sharing the chocolate...hmmm
When one is cooking or baking...one always tastes or samples their own cooking/baking before serving it to guests...
This way one can let the guest know what part of the dish they should start with...
Also regardless of whether one is married or in a union with someone, their body does not become the other person's, their body still belongs to them and only them.
If I am in a sharing mood I can chose to share my body with my husband and visa versa...or I can enjoy my body to myself. Enjoying one's body doesnt always mean touching yourself.
Have you ever had a wonderful massage?
A long soak in a Bubble Bath?
Some one brush your hair?
A great work out-jogging, cycling...all of which makes one body feel absolutley wonderful and tingly...and one doesnt always share those moments with ones spouse either.

 

[Gukkor]

This is ridiculous. Your saying because we sin it's ok to sin. Sorry, but as Christians we are always striving to be sinless, never giving up, constantly repenting when we do. It sounds like you have already conceded defeat to this fleshy world of ours threeinone.

Not necessarily. All I see in her statement is that, while we should strive to live by the sinless ideals demonstrated in Christ, we should also realize that we will never live up to those ideals in this life, no matter how much we beat ourselves up over our sins. We would be better served spiritually by accepting what sins and mistakes we do make as inevitabilities of being imperfect and moving on, still keeping the ideal in mind. Essentially, you're both saying the exact same thing, but with different word choices that are colored by your individual outlooks.

Keep in mind that while I do happen to agree with threeinone personally, I'm not taking anyone's side in the above statement, merely commenting.

 

[threeinone]

This is ridiculous. Your saying because we sin it's ok to sin. Sorry, but as Christians we are always striving to be sinless, never giving up, constantly repenting when we do. It sounds like you have already conceded defeat to this fleshy world of ours threeinone.

Please quote to me where I say it is okay to sin.......I mean like I want to see the words where I say "it is okay to sin" because I do not even come close to saying that. It is not okay to sin and it is not okay to lay down the law to things we do not even keep truly ourselves. Like Jesus said......whoever has not sinned, let them throw the first stone.......and that can hold for words as well.

 

[Kepha]

Please quote to me where I say it is okay to sin.......I mean like I want to see the words where I say "it is okay to sin" because I do not even come close to saying that.

Ok sorry If misunderstood you there.

It is not okay to sin and it is not okay to lay down the law to things we do not even keep truly ourselves.

All pastors sin yet preach not to sin. They preach against sin even though they themselves do it no matter what the sin is. If this rule of yours should be applied, then the world would be full of silent preachers.

Like Jesus said......whoever has not sinned, let them throw the first stone.......and that can hold for words as well

The point Christ was making is they were going to kill this woman without even allowing her to repent. They all have sinned and to judge Her unworthy for life, brings it upon themselves. Christ wasnt upset that they acknowledged she sinned, but that they judged Her without a forgiving heart of their own, when they in turn expect that from God.

Now back to your other post:

Faced with absolutes, we are doomed to failure as sinners. Faced with an ideal to strive towards, we have room to grow, move forward to the ideal.

This in itself I cannot comprehend. The Commandments of God are full of absolutes yet do not doom us to failure. Absolutes are a good thing. There is no margin for error when it comes to sin. It either is or is not. Nobody said getting to Heaven was easy. It is a constant struggle to obey the Lord and to do what is right. It is the narrow road that leads us to Heaven.

Basically if your quote up there means that we should not reflect on things that are not mentioned explicitly to be sinful absolutes because it would be so hard to acomplish, then merely being a struggle to succeed in and expecting too much out of us, is not a good enough answer. Doing the Will of God is always a struggle at some time or another. So I ask why even make that quote. The question at hand is "is masturbation a sin or not" and that is where we should focus on and not because of the fact that adding absolutes is wrong simply on the bases that it's setting us up to fail. Our goal here is finding out if it's the Will of God or not and that is important don't you think? Shying away from something that is possible sin because you will find impossibly tough to accomplish or follow is not the answer. I believe in God's Graces and I believe we can climb over any hill with His help. Do you?

 

[Gukkor]

Only a Sith speaks in absolutes, Kepha.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[threeinone]

Ok sorry The Commandments of God are full of absolutes yet do not doom us to failure. I believe in God's Graces and I believe we can climb over any hill with His help. Do you?

The Commandments of God are full of absolutes and they are the Commandments of God not the Commandments of Man. Of course I believe in God's Graces and I believe we can climb over any hill with His (HIS) help.

And I agree with Gukkor

Only a Sith speaks in absolutes, Kepha.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[threeinone]

LOL,...,.I just looked up Sith and found Star Wars. I was seeing another word

 

[abcOfChristianity]

if touching yourself is a sin then so is enjoying gr8 food or a gr8 back rub that makes you just melt ...if touching yourself is a sin then God is a big tease which he isnt
touching yourself is a gift dont fret hun

 

[threeinone]

if touching yourself is a sin then so is enjoying gr8 food or a gr8 back rub that makes you just melt ...if touching yourself is a sin then God is a big tease which he isnt
touching yourself is a gift dont fret hun

I like your thoughts there girl......gives me something to think about. I've been learning to love myself like your signature and it is an awesome experience.....sure beats hating oneself and kicking own butt all the time.

 

[Gukkor]

I like your thoughts there girl......gives me something to think about. I've been learning to love myself like your signature and it is an awesome experience.....sure beats hating oneself and kicking own butt all the time.

As well it should, for Christians must love and accept themselves if they are to truly attempt to walk in Christ's footsteps. We must love each other as we love ourselves, so if we hate ourselves, what does that say about our treatment of others?

 

[Be11e]

Well?

My Christian Union leader always says that masturbation itself isn't a sin, it's the thoughts you have while you do it that are harmful. I guess you're coveting someone else, and thinking lustful thoughts, which is bad.

 

[sue311]

I agree, it is not a sin, at least there is no where in the bible. I would ask my pastor and I know he is going to find something in the bible, but if it is not accompanied by any thoughts of lust then where is the harm. Married couples tend to please each other doing it.

Wait, I think there is a section in the bible that a man should not do it...where he is letting his seed waste...something like that. I do not remember the verse but I think my pastor preached on that once.

 

[threeinone]

I agree, it is not a sin, at least there is no where in the bible. I would ask my pastor and I know he is going to find something in the bible, but if it is not accompanied by any thoughts of lust then where is the harm. Married couples tend to please each other doing it.

Wait, I think there is a section in the bible that a man should not do it...where he is letting his seed waste...something like that. I do not remember the verse but I think my pastor preached on that once.

That's just the story about Onan who was made to marry his dead brother's wife to give her children. They would not be his children but they would be his dead brother's children so he slept with her but would not let his seed inside of her. He didn't touch. He was killed but not for masturbating.

Some, mistakenly, cite Onan in Gen 38:9 as suggesting that masturbation is a sin. In fact, "onanism" has become a synonym for masturbation. But this is obviously an error, and a rather daft one at that. We know what Onan did, for it is spelled out for us in lurid detail; and we know why it was a sin: he was maliciously using and cheating Tamar in way that was wrong. In any case, what Onan was doing was certainly not masturbating, and you have to be pretty dimwitted to miss this.

 

[Kepha]

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Some, mistakenly, cite Onan in Gen 38:9 as suggesting that masturbation is a sin. In fact, "onanism" has become a synonym for masturbation. But this is obviously an error, and a rather daft one at that. We know what Onan did, for it is spelled out for us in lurid detail; and we know why it was a sin: he was maliciously using and cheating Tamar in way that was wrong. In any case, what Onan was doing was certainly not masturbating, and you have to be pretty dimwitted to miss this.

His sin was practicing birth control.