Is It A Sin to touch?

[Rising_Suns]

Well, it shocked me and brother I'm not so easily shocked. It's a bit explicit for a forum.

Asaph

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. "Explicit" usually refers to language that carries demeeming and derogatory connotations. This discussion deals with masturbation and its moral implications--which directly affects the marital embrace--and my reply answered exactly that.

Sex is a beautiful gift, and we should talk about it openly and with pure hearts so that we as the body of Christ may come to know deeper this great grace of the marital union, and more specifically, we need to know our boundaries so we can know when we have offended God.

Blessings,

-Davide

 

[Asaph]

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. "Explicit" usually refers to language that carries demeeming and derogatory connotations. This discussion deals with masturbation and its moral implications--which directly affects the marital embrace--and my reply answered exactly that.

Sex is a beautiful gift, and we should talk about it openly and with pure hearts so that we as the body of Christ may come to know deeper this great grace of the marital union, and more specifically, we need to know our boundaries so we can know when we have offended God.

Blessings,

-Davide

That's it. Give me a break. Your post included references to things such as "foreplay" which wouldn't even be a part of the language if it wasn't for the world's notion that anything goes as long as it's "natural".

You went to far beyond the bounds of this particular forum. I have seen people as young as twelve years old post here. That sort of thing has no place in this forum.

Asaph

 

[Rising_Suns]

That sort of thing has no place in this forum.

Asaph

And masturbation does?

If I have crossed the line in your estimation, you are welcome to report me if you choose to.

Blessings,

-Davide

 

[Zenaide]

Personally I believe its wrong. It's a struggle of my own, and I feel guilty always after doing such foolishness. Since you COULD consider this a gray area. I look at it this way:

If you believe in your heart between you and God that you masterbating (w/o lust) is ok, and you do not feel guilty about it, then I suppose do it. But it seems too perverse to be right so.... that would be a stretch. But looking at different gray areas like that helps bring unity. A gray area could be a simple as what to eat or men not being allowed to have long hair ( i find that one absurded but if you belive that, that's cool) It seems im going no where with this, but if you do see it... it really helps.

Oh, and Hi my buddy Asaph!

 

[Rising_Suns]

Personally I believe its wrong. It's a struggle of my own, and I feel guilty always after doing such foolishness. Since you COULD consider this a gray area. I look at it this way:

If you believe in your heart between you and God that you masterbating (w/o lust) is ok, and you do not feel guilty about it, then I suppose do it. But it seems too perverse to be right so.... that would be a stretch. But looking at different gray areas like that helps bring unity. A gray area could be a simple as what to eat or men not being allowed to have long hair ( i find that one absurded but if you belive that, that's cool) It seems im going no where with this, but if you do see it... it really helps.

Oh, and Hi my buddy Asaph!

I think a good gauge would be to ask yourself if you would touch in the presence of Jesus.

Because everytime you do, that is exactly what you are doing.

 

[Zenaide]

haha yea! I've talked to people with other issues and ask them if they could do such things in the prescence of Jesus! Always a good question to ask yourself! Very good...

 

[Ave Maria]

Yes, it is a sin. It causes lust. Therefore, it's a sin.

 

[Rising_Suns]

Hmmmm, I should leave now before I enter into a debate.

Blessings,

-Davide

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

hhmm I question that(??) .. I think sex is meant to be pleasing for both

God could have easily made us that only the other person had pleasure during sex but he didn't

Now concerning the things about which you wrote to me: it is good for a man not to touch a woman. But, because of sexual immoralities, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. Let the husband render to his wife the affection owed her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife doesn't have authority over her own body, but the husband. Likewise also the husband doesn't have authority over his own body, but the wife. Don't deprive one another, unless it is by consent for a season, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer, and may be together again, that Hasatan doesn't tempt you because of your lack of self-control. But this I say by way of concession, not of mitzvah. Yet I wish that all men were like me. However each man has his own gift from God, one of this kind, and another of that kind. But I say to the unmarried and to widows, it is good for them if they remain even as I am. But if they don't have self-control, let them marry. For it's better to marry than to burn.
(1Co 7:1-9 HNV)

 

[Benedicta00]

Yes, it is a sin. It causes lust. Therefore, it's a sin.

It doesn't cause lust- lust causes it.

 

[Ave Maria]

I have recently come to a different conclusion on this topic. If masturbation causes lust, it is a sin. Therefore, it's pretty much always sinful. But I think it is still somewhat of a gray area. I would discourage it though.

 

[Asaph]

I have recently come to a different conclusion on this topic. If masturbation causes lust, it is a sin.

That just seems so backwards. Do you have scriptural support for it?

Not necessarily disagreeing, more just not understanding why you see lust as a product of fullfilling the flesh, instead of the other way around.

Asaph

 

[Benedicta00]

I have recently come to a different conclusion on this topic. If masturbation causes lust, it is a sin. Therefore, it's pretty much always sinful. But I think it is still somewhat of a gray area. I would discourage it though.

Masturbation comes to us because we are fallen, weak human beings who were wounded by the fall of man and suffer from big wounds we call sin, lust being one of them. We all will be inclined to have feelings of lust from time to time because these sins were the rotten gifts given to us by Satan after God took our beautiful gifts away.

When we do not die to the feelings of lust- they can consume us and manifest in all different ways- masturbation is just one. This happens when the enemy tempts you to lust and if you do not recognize this, and resist it- it can lead you into sin, i.e. masturbation, fornication etc.

I hope this helps. Of course after you are so far gone- it is a cycle, the lust feeds off the sin, and the sin feeds of the lust. We call these the 7 deadly sins or th 7 vices or the wounds of sin. They are deadly because they can lead you into moral sin and if unrepentant- you can lose your soul. Lust is one of the underlying root causes of our sins pertaining to the flesh so if we can root out our issues with lust, root out this vice we depend on, replace it with virtue- purity, we can over come the sin of masturbation, or what ever other sexual addition we have.

Peace to you Holly.

 

[janny108]

Masturbation is the final acting out of entertaining lustful thoughts. We usually get tempted in the things we secretly want to do for whatever reason. Temptation starts within us, some desire we have, to be loved, needed, etc. not outside us.Also sin comes from the heart. It's our way of providing for us, rather than trusting in God to do it.

For years I did it without thinking 2x about it. Then I got the feeling it was wrong but it was still about 5 years or so before I stoppped doing M cause I wanted to argue to myself why it was ok to still do it. I was so deceived and so are many people today. But thousands of folks at Setting Captives Free are being helped and getting delivered!

But then I discovered I still had fantasy thoughts though. I took Way of Purity at Setting Captives Free.com We are not going to overcome anything in our own strength, we need God's grace and spiritual weapons to do that. Lust is something that demands to be fed, and it all starts with our thoughts. So we stop feeding it. But more than that, we have to feed ourselves more of God's word and develop a brokeness that hates anything that God does not sanction OK to do. And let others know about our struggles. I am enjoying freedom today through His mercy and grace!
Jan

 

[Ceris]

Thread Closed Untill Fruther Notice - Closed for Staff Review/Cleanup.

I apologize for any inconvienence.

 

[Ceris]

Reopened

 

[holo]

Yay!

Observation: I can't recall hearing non-christians actually discuss masturbation. In fact, they don't even seem to care how fast their neighbour is soaping himself in in the shower. What gives?

Well, yes, I know, they're worldy and as such they have nothing to teach us believers...

 

[wingcross]

found somehting on the net

paraphilia..
do u have one ?
http://health.discovery.com/centers/sex/sexpedia/paraphilia.html

 

[RP1000]

Masturbation is the final acting out of entertaining lustful thoughts

It certainly can be so .... but not necessarily

It is perfectly possible to do the act with no LUSTful thoughts and it is easy to do it with lustful thoughts
Its like our Lord said its what comes from the heart that makes us unclean

Internals not externals

 

[Atomagenesis]

It is impossible to touch without Lust, if you are not lusting after a woman or a man, you are lusting after yourself. It is violence against one's self. God also struck down Onan in the book of Genesis for spilling his seed on the ground, which is basically the same thing as masturbation, intrinsically evil. Masturbation is a Mortal Sin, and offends God very very much, and it will cast the individual into hell, so it is incredibly important to avoid all occassions of this sin, and to not avoid the occassions would be a sin in itself.

Pax Christi,

Malcolm