Is it a sin to marry an Athiest?

I disagree that it was to all churches and not just one church where there was a particular problem with women preaching a false gospel.

So Paul's instruction was for the women in that particular church not to speak or teach.

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There is nothing in the immediate context to warrant such a reading but there is much to support the reading I have given it. Shall I explain?

Selah.

aiki said:

There is nothing in the immediate context to warrant such a reading but there is much to support the reading I have given it. Shall I explain?

Selah.

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Nope because I have heard it all before. You will not convince me, just as others have not.

The history in that era does warrant such a reading however, since women were oppressed in Roman times, and even the mention of a woman teaching would have brought more persecution down on the small subset of Christians.

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If marrying an atheist is a sin, not divorcing the spouse would mean living in a sinful lifestyle.

Just like marying a same sex is a sin, therefore to repent you need to back away from the lifestyle. Thus, leaving your partner.

To remain consistent with your belief, then you have to allow divorce.
How can such unblessed marriage be continued to exist in order to repent?
You could not argue the fact that God blesses such union if you want to call the act is sinful. How can God blesses sin?

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According to the Bible, you don't get into a marriage with an unbeliever. If you are an unbeliever and convert while married, then you don't just "leave" your spouse.

Now Paul was clear to say that he was saying it and not the Lord...

"To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him.If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him."

I certainly hope you have read the Bible...it's all there.

"Marriage" can and will only be between a man and a woman so homosexual unions aren't really marriage anyway. They are a gross perversion.

Nope because I have heard it all before. You will not convince me, just as others have not.

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My goal isn't to convince you but to intepret God's Word with integrity and fidelity. This should be your goal as well.

The history in that era does warrant such a reading however, since women were oppressed in Roman times, and even the mention of a woman teaching would have brought more persecution down on the small subset of Christians.

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The historical cultural milieu within which Paul gives his Holy Spirit inspired command to Timothy concerning women is irrelevant. Paul makes it clear that, whatever the cultural norms might be, God has an unchanging spiritual authority and responsibility structure within which Christian men and women are to operate.

Ephesians 5:22-29
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.
28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.
29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.

Paul's words here are not given as a reflection of a cultural norm but as God's perfect spiritual design for men and women. Paul justifies his command to women to submit to the authority of their husbands solely within the confines of the Church's spiritual relationship to God through Christ. Nothing Paul communicates here is in the least reflective of the Roman culture, only of God's perfect authority structure for men and women.

The oppression of women prevalent in ancient Roman society is nothing like what Paul describes here to the Ephesians. To draw a parallel between the two, or to suggest that they are related, is to profoundly mistake what Paul is commanding and his reasons for doing so. And Paul's commands to Timothy also have nothing to do with oppressing women, but of establishing and maintaining God's spiritual authority structure for men and women.

Selah.

As I said, I have heard it all before and i remain unimpressed.

If I am wrong, then once I get to heaven I will find out that I was wrong, either way it's not a salvation issue.

I don't mind if a woman teaches me in a place of authority within a church. It makes no difference to me. Just as I don't want a submissive wife and am glad that I do not have a wife that is submissive.

what do you mean 'submissive'??

MasterpieceMesias said:

what do you mean 'submissive'??

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Ephesians 5:22-29
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.



I do not ask that my wife be submissive towards me, nor is she normally a submissive person. I never wanted a submissive wife. She is free to make major decisions without me giving the final go ahead to do so. She doesn't need to run everything by me first. She is her own person and can make her own choices.

There is a bunch more to submissive, but I need to be going somewhere.

okay I see. .

Atheists work for Satan.. Muslims work for Satan.. every group of non-followers will bring you immense difficulty if you introduce them into your life. To marry someone like this, I can only imagine the turmoil. Bringing them into your life is difficult.. but to marry?

As I said, I have heard it all before and i remain unimpressed.

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Oh! I didn't realize the goal was to impress you! Silly me.

If I am wrong, then once I get to heaven I will find out that I was wrong, either way it's not a salvation issue.

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No, but it is a spiritual maturity one.

Submission has nothing whatever to do with a woman being inferior in nature to a man or with being a doormat to her husband. It has to do with God-given responsibility, which the husband abrogates when he allows his wife to take that responsibility upon herself. It is God's design that the man shoulder this responsibility, not the woman. When she does, a corrupt design is set in place that will inevitably cause problems. How many times I have seen men with strong-willed wives grow passive and careless spiritually because they have not stepped into their God-ordained role as leaders of their families but have instead relied upon their wives to lead. This is sometimes as much the wife's fault as the husband's; for strong-willed women will sometimes wrongfully press for the authority and responsibility for themselves that God intends for their husbands.

Selah.

Then we will just have to agree to disagree.