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Is it a sin to be forced to kill someone in combat

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Snowy11 said:
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I have joined the australian army as a medic. Id rather heal than kill. If I had to kill someone in combat, I wonder would it be breaking the commandment or be ok because it was in battle.

and there are very good defenses for both sides of the argument, to kill to not to kill -- and both sides can base their reasoning in Scripture.

Ultimately, I think the answer to this is between each person and God. Some people don't have it in them, morally or ethically, to kill other people even during war. Other people have no problem with it.

It could be debated whether or not Dietrich Bonhoeffer was doing the morally correct thing in trying to assassinate Hitler: killing another human being in wrong; but on the other hand, Hitler was directly responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people.

It's part of the "Catch-22" of daily living: sometimes we sin if we don't do something, yet we sin if we do do something, and either choice we make is sinful.

This is a tremendous first post, Snowy11! :clap:
 
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Snowy11 said:
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I have joined the australian army as a medic. Id rather heal than kill. If I had to kill someone in combat, I wonder would it be breaking the commandment or be ok because it was in battle.

It is a sin to murder.

A good article I have recently been pointed to talks about war in general, but I think it sheds a great light on the subject at hand.

http://www.maxlucado.com/pdf/upwords.god.and.war.pdf
 
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G'day snowy- welcome to the green machine.

I'm working through the same issues at the moment, and like UberLutheran said, there's not a hugh amount of consensus. At this stage I think that there is a significant difference between murder (out of selfish intent) and killing in battle. However, I don't if this means that as a christian we are justified in doing so. Particularly in terms of discipleship.

Just for a bit of encouragement, your'e certainly not the only christian medic in the army, and certainly not the only one to struggle with these issues. Of the two medics in my unit one is a commited pacifist from a christian/ bhuddist tradition, and the other, who I don't know that well, also has a belief structure that is based in a christian background- although I'm not sure he would see himself as a christian.

BTW have you just enlisted or have you already been to Kapooka, IET's etc.?
 
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Psalms 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war and my fingers to fight.

There is no problem with killing in war, if so King David was a mass murderer b/c he slayed many many foes. In war that is what u do is kill, kill the foe. So long as ur not killing non-combatints it is all good. Did not the Apostles have swords? Well they did. So have no fear man there blood is not on your hands.
 
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The Christian Soldier
- The True Hero -

Originally published by the South Carolina Tract Society during the War Between the States
[size=-1]and printed by Evans & Cogswall, No. 3 Broad Street, Charleston, S.C.[/size]

[size=-1]By Mrs. L.N.B. of Macon, GA[/size]
[size=-2](edited by Rick Williams from The Virginia Gentleman)[/size]

SOLDIER - A friend presents to you these little leaves. Now, while the peaceful Sabbath is wooing you to thought and contemplation, or while the soft twilight invites to quiet and repose, or while the faintly gilded East allows you a leisure hour before the arduous routine of the day; take them and bind them to your heart, and emulate the picture therein portrayed.

For what have you left your sunny home? For what do you uncomplainingly submit to the hardships of the camp? For what do you willingly expose your life on the dread day of battle? Do you simply seek the "bubble reputation at the cannon's mouth:" is your ear charmed by the hoarse din of war and the clang of arms; or, rather, does the pure flame of patriotism impel you to vindicate the cause of honor, virtue, liberty, and the South? We will not insult your manhood by supposing that another or a baser motive than this has called you to the field.

This holy impulse can make you dare and do great things. It is heaven-born. It is the sublime gift of God. It is akin to the divine mind from which it springs; and he who is imbued with it recognizes the Almighty Hand in the direction of the affairs of nations and of peoples, and to its sacred keeping entrusts his life and the fortunes of his country.

With the glorious motto, "God and my native land," glowing and burning upon his heart, the soldier can seize his country's standard and, shouting to his followers to defend it, can, with steady hand, plant it upon the exposed parapet. He can unflinchingly bare his breast and, like the solid rock that Omnipotent Power alone can shake, confront the thousand deadly missiles of an embittered foe. He is prepared for the destiny that has been foreordained for him by a righteous God.

When the loud clarion peal of "CHARGE" sounds in his expectant ear, he lifts his heart in an audible prayer to the Throne of Grace, and with a whispered "Thy will be done," he rushes forward to the deadly struggle.

This is not the bravery of brute force, which makes a man delight to steep his hands in the blood of his fellow-man, or stride untouched over the unburied corpses of a fallen foe. Nor is it the fictitious bravery caused by the delirium and wild excitement of the occasion and circumstances, that impels him, like the madman upon the brink of a precipice, to leap eagerly to swift destruction. Nor is it yet the bravery that knows no fear. That is stupid and irrational.

He fears the just wrath of his God. He thinks with apprehension of the dread Tribunal before which he may be called suddenly to appear; but he subdues his fears, and recalling the boundless mercy of the Great Judge, faces the shock and meets his fate - a hero. His is the genuine bravery, the moral courage of the martyr. It is the firm and heroic resolve of virtue and of reason. Invoking the aid of religion and patriotism, he supports his fainting heart, and is enabled, with these alone, to give up his life with solemn composure and patriotic resignation.

Life becomes a small sacrifice for the Christian patriot. With the life-blood slowly dripping from his torn and wounded heart, his eye can still beam with a beatific and heavenly gleam; and the lips that ne'er profaned his Maker can wreath themselves into smiles of blissful satisfaction. Thus, the true type of a soldier yields up his life for his country.

Is it not plain whence comes his bravery, his courage, his exalted manhood? It is even from the nursery where first he lisped an infant prayer upon his mother's knee; it is from the reverential regard he maintained for all things holy and divine in his youth; and from the abiding and simple trust in an almighty Saviour and in an overruling Providence, that, in his more mature years, has marked and directed his footsteps.

So, dear Soldier, while the purest "Amor patriae" may swell your noble bosom, trust not that, without the faith of the Christian, it can carry you triumphantly to the end. You will shudder at the thought of a ball stopping for ever your heart-throbbings; a depressing foreboding will cover your face with palor in the hour of dreadful battle; clinging affections and regretful aspirations toward this beautiful earth will annoyingly tug at your heart-strings; and, indeed, all bravery and valor may desert you in the dying moment. But a firm, supporting faith in your God and Redeemer must drive all such feelings from your mind, and make you, to the last, the true soldier, the patriot, the "blessed martyr."

Amid the smoke, the din and the confusion of the ensanguined field, your gentle and disembodied spirit will mount to the regions of bliss and peace, and the lovely sod will bow to do reverence, and where a gentle and appreciate woman will linger to plant a flower or drop a melancholy tear.

Thus we see that the Christian soldier is the true hero - a sublime and beautiful model, worthy of your emulation and imitation.

Soldier, would you aspire to it? Then take for your teacher and friend the great Book of books. There is no more invulnerable breastplate than the written word of God's eternal truth. Within its sacred leaves are wisdom, counsel, and heavenly consolation. There is to be found the imperishable pearl, the priceless gem of salvation. Its voice emphatically bids you fight for the cause of religion and truth, and declares that the mighty God, the "God of war," will always smile upon that cause. Its holy unction will bring peace to your spirit, and its blessed hope will strengthen your arm and nerve your heart. In the camp or the bivouac, let it be a pillow for your head; and when summoned to battle, let it be enshrined near your heart, where its sacred lids may e'en avert the threatening ball - and at all times, let it's truths and warnings be a light to your feet and a restraint upon every unholy impulse.

Writings are at:http://www.touchet1611.org/TrueHero.html
 
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inquisitor_11 said:
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I CORINTHIANS 13:11
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
 
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The bible says in Ecclesiastes 3



1 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:

2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
 
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"War doesn't determine who is right - just who is left." Steven Wright


I understand your dilemma. That would be a very difficult choice to make and I admire yours for feeling the call to bring your gift of healing to those who are sent to war. For me, the "gut" thing would come into play, depending upon why I was fighting. If I believed that to fight was the only way to safeguard my family, community or country; then, by all means, I would be willing to do whatever was necessary to answer the call.

However, if I did not believe in the war that is being fought, the reasons that I am placed there (and I would be placed there because I would not volunteer to go); I would not be able to kill another unless my own life was in danger. It sounds like your choice is being made to lend service to those who are wounded and hurting. That sounds like a noble choice to me; whether you actually believe in the war that your country is involved with or not.

My fiance' was killed in Viet Nam after only being in the country for 3 1/2 months. Before he left the States, he had major trepidition about going - he, too, did not believe in killing. He was placed there by the draft. The last person to speak to him was the medic with his unit and he has a special place in my heart even today.
 
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[size=5 said:
daidhaid[/size]]One patient was a guy shot by a sniper.
The sniper seriously wounded him and then killed everyone who tried to aid him.
He tried to keep from screaming but the sniper would shoot him again.
When he screamed his buddies would try again. They were all pinned down in some rice paddys. And then the mortars and rpg's came in on them.
Our air and arty pounded the likely areas to supress the enemy, and a medivac started in.
The sniper layed low, waiting, and they took the medivac killing the pilot on approach. No survivors.
By now the casualty had been blown out of the paddy and was fully exposed on the dike, unable to move.
He tried to be silent and play dead but he was shot again repeatedly.
He didn't remember being evacuated he did remember seeing his comrades get hit.
He was one of the most wounded guys on the ward. One of the most despondent men I have ever seen he blamed himself for all the deaths.
A suicide watch was maintained on him, and you never want to see a man so physically and emotionaly shattered.
taken from the sniper post.

I can't imagine Jesus doing that.

I'm still sitting on the fence on this issue- sometimes killing seems OK and times like this it just seems so utterly evil.

Do you think the line between killing and murder blurs in war? Do you think we as Christians should know this line and refrain from crossing it?
 
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