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IF a Christian doesnt see something wrong with a candy egg laying rabbit being tied to their Messiah, they need to really study the true origins of some of the things that are being done in Easter and how they were just rebadged by the RCC.
Ironically, there is not a darn thing that any one of us can do about the Easter bunny or Santa Claus or any of the other things that the world has done to incorporate Christian religious days into popular culture.

What is important is that instead of debating it endlessly among ourselves is that people would maybe talk more about God during those holidays. I can't tell you how many Christians have jumped on the 'Happy Holiday's" bandwagon which is the world cutting out "Merry Christmas" and having Christmas be a worldly holiday.

I say Christians put your speech where your belief is. Buy cards with Christ and religious sentiment, don't use "Happy Holidays" and don't buy your kids candy if you don't like it, but put some action into it and stop discussing it over and over

If people talk about Christ in their daily lives and He is important I don't think anyone thinks that someone is celebrating the Easter bunny. It is when we do not make a stand on what the holiday really is and don't discuss this on the holiday and with people in our churches that I think things get lost.

But I don't want to hear another thread about a bunch of Christains chastisinig another bunch of Christians without some action that makes it better and does some good. Let's not 'talk' only anymore.
 
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We are to worship God (YHWH) per his terms, NOT our own.

Alright, help me select a female lamb without blemish and we can go find a kohen and offer it to the Lord together. Oh wait, I can't, I'm a Gentile, and I suspect you are too.

Well that's awkward. Well, maybe we can go hang out in the temple courtyard in the court of the Gentiles. Oh, right, no temple. Oh, gee, this is getting difficult.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Since you seem unaware, in the Orthodox Church we gather in the church building from about 10-10:30pm on Saturday evening for our Pascha service. At midnight the priest comes out chanting "Come receive the light" after which we chant the hymns of Christ's resurrection. Immediately following is the Divine Liturgy after which we go home. It is around 3am in the morning by then, long before the sun rises on Sunday morning.
As for facing East in Church, that is because of Matthew 24:27

For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.

Our churches traditionally face East so that we are facing in the direction Christ will come when He returns. You might also notice that Christians are traditionally buried with their feet towards the East for the same reason. There is nothing remotely related to sun worship so for your own good you should cease propagating that falsehood. As the Scriptures say in Proverbs 19:

A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who utters lies will not escape.
 
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Your thoughts on Easter and anything that you can add to this? I came across this yesterday. If I have posted this in the wrong forum I apologize and am open to it being moved to wherever is needed.
Not really. Its well known.

Its just that pagan spring festival of easter happened to fall around the same time as jewish passover. I dont know why everyone keeps referring to all the days celebrating Jesus cruxifiction and resurrection as easter when it should be passover time. I suppose its the gentile thing and a holdover from that calendar.
 
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Its just that pagan spring festival of easter

Don't suppose you'd be willing to show us someone, anyone, in history celebrating a pagan spring festival called Easter would you? Any evidence, anything at all. A document, maybe an archeological site. All have you have to do is show a single piece of historical evidence that there was ever a pagan festival called "Easter".

-CryptoLutheran
 
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But it's "well known". Who needs factual evidence when multitudes have happily swallowed the myth without.
 
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Thanks for your reply, I enjoy reading your posts, you take a lot of time and energy to post, that is the reason for my delay is I wanted to ensure I was giving you the same consiteration after reading your post.

The problem still stands, how can we be the salt and the light if we are not being the salt? If we are PC to our brothers and sisters in Christ how will they be lead to repentance? Easter is not biblical. Many sources claim that Bede's interpretation of the origin of the name of easter is accurate. It is plauseable that it did come from a pagan goddess and pagan people still worship in this way today yes with eggs and bunnies. The name originated out of the worship of creation not the Creator weather it is east, spring or some pagan goddess, the name has NOTHING to do with our Messiah and it did not come from Passover no matter how many linguistical gymnastics a person applies.

Easter is NOTHING like Purim or Chanukah. The story of Purim is deeply phophectic and it tells of God delivering His people with the strength of a godly brave woman. Chanukah is a story of deliverance as well, a small army lead by Judas Maccabee where God works through them to deliver His people and His temple from the Heathens.

Easter does not have a story like that, easter was added not to Judize and was followed by years of antisemitism and the blood of many Jews. 325 council of Nicaea "it was declared improper to follow the custom of the Jews in he celebration of this holy festival, because, their hands have been stained with crime, the minds of these wrenched men are nessisarily blinded ,....Let us then have nothing in common with the Jews, who are our adversaries... Avoiding all contact with that evil way....Who, after having compassed the death of the Lord, being out of thier minds, are guided not by sound reason, but by unrestrained passion, wherever thier innate madness carries them ..... A people so utterly depraved.... Therefore, this irregularity must be corrected, in order that may no more have anything in common with those parricides and the murderers of our Lord....No single point in common with the purjury of the Jews."

I am not really sure how I am breaking Torah to defend Torah by this but I do not claim to be any kind of expert in the law. I do know we are called to come out of her my people and to not partake of her sins and if we care for our brothers and sisters in Christ we will desire the same for them.

Shabbat Shalom dear brother in Messiah
 
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There was NO SUCH THING AS EASTER in the days of Jesus and the Apostles, it is a man made Catholic holiday that has been passed down.

Easter was celebrated almost immediately after the Resurrection. Each gathering on Sunday was a celebration of Easter.

In the bible they kept Passover and Unleavened Bread. Jesus died on Passover and Rose on First Fruit, NOT Good Friday and Rose Easter Sunday Morning

This has no relationship to the practice of Easter in the early Christianity that is continually practiced.


Frankly, it should raise flags if you are a unstable person paranoid about everything.


Thank you for proving my point. People will believe things even if they defy logic and history.

English speakers celebrate Easter with bunnies and eggs, because it is an Anglo-Saxon tradition.
Others cultures don't call it Easter. They don't have bunnies and eggs.
Anglo-Saxons were converted to Christianity in 700-800 AD.

Resurrection Day, as celebrated by Christians around the world, has nothing to do with bunnies, eggs, or even the name "Easter." When Anglo-Saxons converted, they called Resurrection Day "Easter" and celebrated it with bunnies and eggs. Now people like you turn around and call it pagan because of the name "Easter", bunnies, eggs, babylonian hams, and other absurdities.
 
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Those silly arguments are based on the notion that Easter is called Easter by Christians and everyone celebrates it with bunnies and eggs.

I don't know how to make this more clear. I imagine you don't even care, because you have a narrative you will defend against all logic and facts.

Jesus is Resurrected
Christians meet on Sundays
Christians pick one Sunday to represent Resurrection Day

200AD goes by, Resurrection Day is celebrated, but No bunnies, no eggs, no calling it Easter.

400AD goes by No bunnies, no eggs, no calling it Easter.

600 AD goes by NO BUNNIES, NO EGGS, NO ONE CALLS IT EASTER

700-800 AD - the English and Germans convert to Christianity.
The English call it "Easter" and celebrate it with eggs and bunnies.

2000 AD - Resurrection day is not called Easter by the rest of Christianity. Resurrection Day is not celebrated by non-English speakers with bunnies and eggs.

Nothing about easter is Biblical.

You shouldn't be posting here, if you deny the Resurrection.
 
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I don't believe you even concitered reading my post, it looks as if you just fired off your position in contrast to what I stated without any concern as to what I stated. I posted straight from the council of Nicaea you may want to take a second look. I did not deny the resurrection you are saying things that are just not true and I do not appreciate your accusations. What i deny is the boasting against the natural branches. Perhaps it would benefit you to read about the antisemitism and the church.
 
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It would be a pity if they cancelled Easter. because I love eating Easter eggs and hot cross buns. I don't care what they stand for. My taste buds and tummy just love enjoying them. Hey, what do you get if you pour boiling water down a rabbit hole at Easter time? Hot cross bunnies!
 
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Chocolate rabbits and chicken eggs and fertility goddess Ishtar are the closest thing to Jesus Christ, of course.

Since none of those things have anything to do with Easter, then it's kind of a non issue. It would be like saying, "What does orange marmalade have to do with the topography of Norway?" Well, nothing, nothing at all.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Since none of those things have anything to do with Easter, then it's kind of a non issue. It would be like saying, "What does orange marmalade have to do with the topography of Norway?" Well, nothing, nothing at all.

-CryptoLutheran

Easter has nothing to do with Jesus
 
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And in the case of Easter eggs and hot cross buns, they have a Christian origin and a Christian meaning. The dying of eggs is a practice that has its origins among the Eastern Orthodox who have traditionally dyed eggs red; according to an ancient legend St. Mary Magdalene was once a guest at a dinner with the emperor and she was speaking of Christ--the emperor, incredulous that Christ had risen, picked up an egg from the dinner table and declared, "It is more likely that this egg will turn red than your Christ could have risen from the dead." At which point the egg miraculously turned red in his hand. The story is obviously apocryphal, but the association of the red egg and Mary Magdalene is a very long standing one, and traditional iconography depicts her holding a red egg on account of the story:



In Christian symbolism the egg represents Christ. In the West the practice of hiding eggs for children (and traditionally, women) to find dates back to at least to the Reformation where it was a way of re-enacting the women finding the empty tomb.

There's a fundamental problem when people assume that something is allowed only one meaning ever; the reality is that symbols, by their very nature, are a fluid aspect of human culture. One no doubt can find the use of the fish in all manner of symbolic contexts around the globe from diverse and entirely unrelated cultures--but for Christians the fish has a very specific meaning that has no relationship to whatever meaning other religions might have associated with it. The same goes with the use of the cross, we can find cross shapes across cultures and going back many thousands of years--it's a pretty basic shape--but it's use as a symbol in Christianity should be immediately obvious: Jesus was crucified on a Roman crux.

The attempt to make associations, when none exist and no evidence for which can be found, is the phenomenon known as parallelomania, it would be to say "Ancient Pagans used cross symbols, and therefore Christian cross symbols are pagan." Well, no, because there's no connection between the two, and no evidence of such a connection exists. The same is true when it comes to Easter eggs, Christmas trees, and many other things. It's the same with the Easter/Ishtar theory--there's simply no justification for making that connection, it's a purely imaginative connection, that is, it exists solely in someone's imagination, not in reality.

It's always important to keep these things in mind, because this is how critical thinking is to be done. The "X is pagan" claims are devoid of critical thinking, empirical evidence, objectivity, or truth; they are claims made by making bare assertion without any substance by which to back it up. One might as well claim that the moon is made of cheese or that pineapple is the devil's favorite food.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Easter has nothing to do with Jesus

It has everything to do with Jesus. Easter is the Christian celebration of Christ's resurrection from the dead. That's what it is. To say it has nothing to do with Jesus is like saying grass isn't green.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It has everything to do with Jesus. Easter is the Christian celebration of Christ's resurrection from the dead. That's what it is. To say it has nothing to do with Jesus is like saying grass isn't green.

-CryptoLutheran

Well, in my non-English speaking mind, Easter = bunny, Ishtar, egg hunt etc.

Because in my language, there is no equivalent of "Easter". Instead, we say, Paska, which is Pesach in Hebrew or Passover = Resurrection of Christ.

So, I must make that clear. But I understand now what you mean. There's a calendar day called "Easter", and celebrated as Resurrection of Christ in good churches, but there is the worldly Christian holiday "Easter" which is anything but Jesus-related.

Same with "Christmas". There is birth of Christ celebration, but then there is paganistic holiday of Santa Clausa, red-nosed Rudolph, decorated fur-tree, fireworks etc.
 
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Santa Claus is simply the modern mythical way of remembering St. Nicholas of Myra, he is a symbol of the season that represents kindness and charity representative of the historic St. Nicholas and, more importantly, of the kindness and generosity of God which; as the celebration of Christ's birth, we celebrate the gracious Lord who gives Himself freely to the world in order to save it. Jesus Christ is God's gift to us, and Christ offers Himself to us.

Santa Claus may be a popular secular symbol, but that doesn't mean he's a pagan one; and Christians shouldn't feel any shame in celebrating what the mythical Santa Claus, or the historic St. Nicholas of Myra, represent in a Christian context of joy, celebration, and generosity in response to the birth of Christ our God for the world.

The only way to make these things "pagan" is if one chooses to do so. Personally I don't see any reason to do so, and I'll happily celebrate all that gives glory to Christ our God and King.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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