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Is Irving Feldkamp an SDA?

JohnMarsten

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>SDA has given consent to abortions

And if the pregnancy was killing the mother, you'd kill her rather than do an abortion? Other than that, it is a lie to claim that the SDA _Church_ gives "consent to abortions".

It gives consent when it does not condemn it...

does it give consent to homosexuals, I dont think so...

would it be doing it if it wrote the same 'doesnt serve as conscience' stuff? Id rather say yes...
 
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>It gives consent when it does not condemn it...

>does it give consent to homosexuals, I dont think so...

Non sequitur. By your own argument since it does not condemn homosexuals, it must be giving its consent.

So, you'd really murder the mother, eh?

non sequitur ;)
 
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>It gives consent when it does not condemn it...

>does it give consent to homosexuals, I dont think so...

Non sequitur. By your own argument since it does not condemn homosexuals, it must be giving its consent.

So, you'd really murder the mother, eh?

you know David, you might be right doing more research wouldnt do me no harm

so lets just validate:

is this the official site? as it claims?

maybe I cant read properly but does it say that they are opposed to homosexual practices and relationships? if so, than thats what I meant, I wasnt really talking about condemning homosexuals for what they do, since I am not without sin, I am not condemning them either, BUT I am opposed to their practices... now, the same should apply to abortion!

killing the mother or the baby? well, thats a good question, but do you realise that this question is the starting point to a much wider approach? Hopefully you do...

Adventist.org: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church
Seventh-day Adventist Position Statement on Homosexuality


The Seventh-day Adventist Church recognizes that every human being is valuable in the sight of God, and we seek to minister to all men and women in the spirit of Jesus. We also believe that by God's grace and through the encouragement of the community of faith, an individual may live in harmony with the principles of God's Word.
Seventh-day Adventists believe that sexual intimacy belongs only within the marital relationship of a man and a woman. This was the design established by God at creation. The Scriptures declare: "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh" (Gen. 2:24, NIV). Throughout Scripture this heterosexual pattern is affirmed. The Bible makes no accommodation for homosexual activity or relationships. Sexual acts outside the circle of a heterosexual marriage are forbidden (Lev. 20:7-21; Rom. 1:24-27; 1 Cor. 6:9-11). Jesus Christ reaffirmed the divine creation intent: "'Haven't you read,' he replied, 'that at the beginning the Creator "made them male and female," and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?" So they are no longer two, but one'" (Matt. 19:4-6, NIV). For these reasons Adventists are opposed to homosexual practices and relationships.
Seventh-day Adventists endeavor to follow the instruction and example of Jesus. He affirmed the dignity of all human beings and reached out compassionately to persons and families suffering the consequences of sin. He offered caring ministry and words of solace to struggling people, while differentiating His love for sinners from His clear teaching about sinful practices.
This statement was voted during the Annual Council of the General Conference Executive Committee on Sunday, October 3, 1999 in Silver Spring, Maryland.
 
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>is this the official site?

Not relevant--it isn't church "doctrine."
:oROTFL

I am really amazed. The doctrine of the church states SABBATH KEEPING IS A FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF, and presumably the church is the Remnant which KEEPS the commandments of God (so insn't murder one of the commandments)


1. Holy Scriptures:
The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God, given by divine inspiration through holy men of God who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In this Word, God has committed to man the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God's acts in history. (2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; Ps. 119:105; Prov. 30:5, 6; Isa. 8:20; John 17:17; 1 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 4:12.)
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WHAT A PERSON BELIEVES..DETERMINES HOW THEY OBEY. The same argument for Sabbath keeping should be for MURDER too. God's command on murder has not changed.
The flawed reason on this board:o
 
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:oROTFL

I am really amazed. The doctrine of the church states SABBATH KEEPING IS A FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF, and presumably the church is the Remnant which KEEPS the commandments of God (so insn't murder one of the commandments)


1. Holy Scriptures:
The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God, given by divine inspiration through holy men of God who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In this Word, God has committed to man the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God's acts in history. (2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; Ps. 119:105; Prov. 30:5, 6; Isa. 8:20; John 17:17; 1 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 4:12.)
(SDA 27 Beliefs)

WHAT A PERSON BELIEVES..DETERMINES HOW THEY OBEY. The same argument for Sabbath keeping should be for MURDER too. God's command on murder has not changed.
The flawed reason on this board:o

I hear ya. This is what I have come to understand; Whatever floats your boat, if you're keeping the Sabbath(and no one really has an answer as to how to keep it).

I'll do as God has told Peter, James and John in Matthew 17: Listen to My Son. His Spirit guiding me is all I need and NO where has He told me to keep the Sabbath.
 
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:oROTFL

I am really amazed. The doctrine of the church states SABBATH KEEPING IS A FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF, and presumably the church is the Remnant which KEEPS the commandments of God (so insn't murder one of the commandments)


1. Holy Scriptures:
The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God, given by divine inspiration through holy men of God who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In this Word, God has committed to man the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God's acts in history. (2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; Ps. 119:105; Prov. 30:5, 6; Isa. 8:20; John 17:17; 1 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 4:12.)
(SDA 27 Beliefs)

WHAT A PERSON BELIEVES..DETERMINES HOW THEY OBEY. The same argument for Sabbath keeping should be for MURDER too. God's command on murder has not changed.
The flawed reason on this board:o

that would be my idea as well! since murderer wont enter the kingdom...
 
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Once again, you are trying to tar an already blackened corporate entity... if you are trying to make people aware of their apostacy because you have just been made aware yourself, you have done that... no need to keep dragging this out.
 
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Once again, you are trying to tar an already blackened corporate entity... if you are trying to make people aware of their apostacy because you have just been made aware yourself, you have done that... no need to keep dragging this out.

Yeah, rather make people aware, that would be it... already blackened? well, for sure the issue has been played out I guess, besides my mother came to visit today, she still cant really believe it, nor can her friends...

Its like I said before, very sad, especially since this is such a polarizing issue...

But it has helped me to understand things more clearly...
 
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