Is Incest a sin?

[Lion King]

And have you read up on the greek root to poreia? did you see the post i pulled from esword as it pertained to 1 cor 5:1?

Let me ask you something. Is it still considered sexually immoral to sleep with your wife while she is on her period?

If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her monthly period, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them are to be cut off from their people. Leviticus 20:18

the NT doesn't mention pornography, you think that's okay?
SMH

Lusting after a woman you are not married to is a sin.

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:28

 

[from scratch]

That is untrue.
You can prove your point posting the scriptures in the new testament that legitimize or permit incest specifically.

Some have a need to be legal for some reason. I've never understood why.

 

[WanderingBloom]

Mind-reading is fun, isn't it? Or maybe it's projection.

Do you know the OP author? Maybe it is.

I've seen the OT proscriptions. I've not yet seen the NT ones.

Clearly, you haven't read this thread.

Before you run around holding hands with "the accuser of the brethren," perhaps you could point out to me the post where someone said they "do not accept the Bible as proof." I haven't seen that post.

This part of this reply is why I answered these remarks.
If you can quote this member that responded to those remarks, you can admit you're not being honest here. Or you simply ignored the remarks so as to continue trolling.

And yet no one has shown this alleged NT prohibition. (The OT, of course, is irrelevant in that the Law of the Obsolete Covenant no longer applies.)

There is no law of the obsolete covenant.
Though I have seen that phase used in atheist forums when their lot post sarcastic threads attacking Christianity.

Maybe people who like to ignore NT references to immoral sexual behaviors, which would include incest, as well as those scriptures that condemn the practice, think "incest" has to be in writing in the scripture so as to count.

Otherwise, any Bible scripture keyword search site will bring up numerous old and new testament references for those scriptures that condemn incest.

Wow, scary. Except not.

Aw, are we going to argue that Hell isn't really in the Bible now too?

 

[Rev Randy]

give it up dude, if it's against the rule of the land it's a sin. (Romans)
Paul looking at the greek condemns it in 1 Cor 5:1
God himself calls it a sin in Leviticus
Paul again tells us not to associate with these folk later in 1 cor 5.

You need to learn to rightly divide..

Or move to San Francisco?

 

[NorrinRadd]

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[NorrinRadd]

Do you know the OP author? Maybe it is.

No, I do not know the OP author, nor do I see the relevance of that question. By way of reminder, since the forum software doesn't routinely do "nested quotes," the recent exchange has proceeded thus:

Stone Butterfly -- "People who argue incest is perfectly moral are arguing their own sickness has rights in the eyes of God.
Pray for their family and especially the children."

Me -- "Mind-reading is fun, isn't it? Or maybe it's projection. "

The point of course is that SB is dishonestly dodging the debate and attacking motivations with no evidence to back up said accusations. That means SB is either claiming to be able to read minds, or SB is projecting her own proclivities onto others, and, being ashamed of them, is trying to obscure them with vitriol and false accusations.

Clearly, you haven't read this thread.

Sorry, but I have. I have seen an indictment of a particularly egregious case of adultery miscast as an indictment of incest, but no other NT mention.

This part of this reply is why I answered these remarks.
If you can quote this member that responded to those remarks, you can admit you're not being honest here. Or you simply ignored the remarks so as to continue trolling.

This comment of yours related to this remark of mine:

"Before you run around holding hands with "the accuser of the brethren," perhaps you could point out to me the post where someone said they "do not accept the Bible as proof." I haven't seen that post."

I admit to no dishonesty whatsoever, and challenge you to provide proof to the contrary. Further, I challenge you to define "trolling," and to provide evidence that I am engaging in such.

In the absence of such evidence, I name you as a slanderer and accuser of the brethren. If you care.

There is no law of the obsolete covenant.

Not for Xians, who are under the New Covenant. But sadly most cling to vestiges of what was, and try to attach it to what is.

Though I have seen that phase used in atheist forums when their lot post sarcastic threads attacking Christianity.

So?

Maybe people who like to ignore NT references to immoral sexual behaviors, which would include incest, as well as those scriptures that condemn the practice, think "incest" has to be in writing in the scripture so as to count.

Actually, even that would not necessarily be sufficient. I recognize that the only universal "law" under the New Covenant is "Love one another," a.k.a. "Love your neighbor as yourself," expressed in practical terms as "Treat others as you would have others treat you." So even if one did find a NT passage that condemned incest, one would then need to convince me that prohibition was a specific implementation of the Love Commandment and therefore universal, or else I would take it to be limited to the original recipients of the document.

Otherwise, any Bible scripture keyword search site will bring up numerous old and new testament references for those scriptures that condemn incest.

I don't offhand know how to do "keyword" searches. A typical word-search in my Bible study program finds only one instance of "incest" in the entire NASB, and even then the translation is stretched. I found none at all in NIV, NET, ISV, ESV, NRSV, CEB, HCSB, or NKJV.

Aw, are we going to argue that Hell isn't really in the Bible now too?

The background...

SB --"But God knows them.
And one day their sins will be accounted, when they are unbelievers standing before the throne answering for their falsehoods and their self-described faith on forums that did not exist in their heart.

And then they shall believe. For even Demons believe in Jesus and tremble. That's scriptural too. The incestuous don't know this.

But they shall."

Me -- "Wow, scary. Except not."


Interestingly, "Hell" was not even mentioned in that exchange. But in any case, the reason I don't find it remotely scary is that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, which I have been since early 1980. I have no fear of mind- and heart-readers who project their own fears of damnation onto others.

 

[Deut48]

This goes back to a misunderstanding of what the new covenant was.

In Jeremiah 31:31 God said the New Covanant would place the content of the old covenant-ALL OF IT-on the hearts of his people.

He the. Grafted the Gentiles into this arrangement.

That means all of the Old Testament law is repeated in the new covenant and is binding but administered in a new way.

For example Christ is our high priest so we no longer need an old priest hood.

But the moral principles of the OT law- including the laws against incest remain in tact. We see this in 1 cor 5 when paul condemns the man for sleeping with his step mother and demanding he be excommunicated. Paul was appealing to the morality of the OT law to condemn him but applying it differently in accordance with the theological context.

Finally when you read Romans and Galaitians carefully you realize that when paul said you are not "under the law" he means that you will no longer be spiritually executed (cast into hell) for your failure to keep the law. This is what he means when he says Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those who believe.

He did not mean that the law was no longer a valid system of ethics. Everything not repeated must be obeyed in principle but not necessarily verbatum.

Therefore incest is still evil per se.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

"Cursed is anyone who sleeps with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!" Deuteronomy 27:22

Incest was strictly forbidden under the Old Covenant. However, since people claim that Christians no longer have to keep the Laws given unto Moses on the mountain, is it still prohibited under the New Covenant?

By the way, incest wasn't a sin before Sinai. For instance, Abraham married his half-sister, Sarah (Genesis 20:11-13). Amram married his father's sister and begot Aaron and Moses (Exodus 6:20).

So is incest still a sin today? What say thee?

We are subject to the natural law which the Torah reflected in Israel's particular culture. In our particular culture, natural law is reflected in different ways, but there are still immutable laws.

 

[NorrinRadd]

This goes back to a misunderstanding of what the new covenant was.

In Jeremiah 31:31 God said the New Covanant would place the content of the old covenant-ALL OF IT-on the hearts of his people.

I've checked several translations, and I can't find any that say this.

 

[SG9]

"Cursed is anyone who sleeps with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!" Deuteronomy 27:22

Incest was strictly forbidden under the Old Covenant. However, since people claim that Christians no longer have to keep the Laws given unto Moses on the mountain, is it still prohibited under the New Covenant?

By the way, incest wasn't a sin before Sinai. For instance, Abraham married his half-sister, Sarah (Genesis 20:11-13). Amram married his father's sister and begot Aaron and Moses (Exodus 6:20).

So is incest still a sin today? What say thee?

Now that it's settled, please tell me if it's a sin to wash hands after sex, regardless of whom with or does it make any difference? Thanks

 

[Messy]

"Cursed is anyone who sleeps with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!" Deuteronomy 27:22

Incest was strictly forbidden under the Old Covenant. However, since people claim that Christians no longer have to keep the Laws given unto Moses on the mountain, is it still prohibited under the New Covenant?

By the way, incest wasn't a sin before Sinai. For instance, Abraham married his half-sister, Sarah (Genesis 20:11-13). Amram married his father's sister and begot Aaron and Moses (Exodus 6:20).

So is incest still a sin today? What say thee?

Yes, it's in the New Testament also:
1 Corinthians 5




5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named[a] among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Oh that's not really incest, but's in the same passage:
20 ‘Cursed is the one who lies with his father’s wife, because he has uncovered his father’s bed.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
21 ‘Cursed is the one who lies with any kind of animal.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
22 ‘Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
23 ‘Cursed is the one who lies with his mother-in-law.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
24 ‘Cursed is the one who attacks his neighbor secretly.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
25 ‘Cursed is the one who takes a bribe to slay an innocent person.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

 

[MKJ]

I think one's father's wife generally refers to a step-mother. So, not a blood relative.

There are probably a variety of reasons incest was forbidden. We all know that a lot of inbreeding is a bad thing. Look at pugs. You're okay and then all of a sudden you are bumping your eyeballs on things when you are out for a walk and your nasal cavity is totally collapsed.

On the other hand, having sex with a step-mother doesn't have that sort of problem associated with it. If it is a problem it stems from a different source, possibly a social one.

Our perception of incest is very culturally determined even now. Today, many people in the west consider cousins marrying to be incest. Two generations ago though it was very very common, and it still is in much of the world.

 

[NorrinRadd]

"Cursed is anyone who sleeps with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!" Deuteronomy 27:22

Incest was strictly forbidden under the Old Covenant. However, since people claim that Christians no longer have to keep the Laws given unto Moses on the mountain, is it still prohibited under the New Covenant?

By the way, incest wasn't a sin before Sinai. For instance, Abraham married his half-sister, Sarah (Genesis 20:11-13). Amram married his father's sister and begot Aaron and Moses (Exodus 6:20).

So is incest still a sin today? What say thee?

Has anyone addressed the part in boldface? Besides the specific examples given by LK, if we accept both the Creation and Flood accounts at anything close to face value, it means that for centuries at least, possibly millennia, incest was normative.

If "Don't boink close relatives" reflects a universal moral absolute, then from the beginning and for ages prior to Sinai, God set up a system wherein the survival of the human race *depended* on routine violation of a universal moral absolute. If those situations prior to Sinai did not constitute "sin," then "Do not boink close relatives" was not a universal moral absolute, but only applied to those under the Sinai Covenant. In that case, incest is not *inherently* sinful, but IS a sin for those bound by that particular Covenant.