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Is homosexuality wrong?

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Andreusz

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There are no sensible secular reasons for seeing homosexuality as wrong. It does not harm anyone, and the evidence indicates that a certain percentage of human beings are naturally homosexual. The only way it can be seen as wrong is under certain interpretations of the Bible and other religious boooks -- and not all practitioners of those religions accept those interpretations.
 
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OphidiaPhile are you saying that the Angels were women and the men wanted to have sex with women but were turned away as being Wicked and abominable? Is that your claim? Just as the claim of your compatriot is that homosexuality was not the sin of Sodom?
Sodomy is not a gender specific sexual act so unless there was something in that paragraph that specifically states the gender of the angels then I contend they could be female, male or hermaphroditic for all you or anyone else knows.
 
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There are no sensible secular reasons for seeing homosexuality as wrong. It does not harm anyone, and the evidence indicates that a certain percentage of human beings are naturally homosexual. The only way it can be seen as wrong is under certain interpretations of the Bible and other religious boooks -- and not all practitioners of those religions accept those interpretations.

Don't you know all of those homosexual, Bonobos, Chimpanzees, Dolphins, snakes and every one of the other 1000 plus species were recruited as teenagers in high school by the local GLBT orientation squad just like all of the brainwashed kids that are also recruited with the promise of all the free Rainbow Skittles they can eat.
 
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There are no sensible secular reasons for seeing homosexuality as wrong. It does not harm anyone, and the evidence indicates that a certain percentage of human beings are naturally homosexual. The only way it can be seen as wrong is under certain interpretations of the Bible and other religious boooks -- and not all practitioners of those religions accept those interpretations.
I concur. Homosexuality is no more 'wrong' than heterosexuality, asexuality, and so on.

Don't you know all of those homosexual, Bonobos, Chimpanzees, Dolphins, snakes and every one of the other 1000 plus species were recruited as teenagers in high school by the local GLBT orientation squad just like all of the brainwashed kids that are also recruited with the promise of all the free Rainbow Skittles they can eat.
Don't give anyone any ideas. You never know what people will accept as fact around here. :help:
 
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Sodomy is not a gender specific sexual act so unless there was something in that paragraph that specifically states the gender of the angels then I contend they could be female, male or hermaphroditic for all you or anyone else knows.
Let's not forget also, that sodomy was never used to refer to homosexual acts until relatively recently. The first use of the word Sodomite was in the 17th Century KJV, and referred to general wickedness. It carried no sexual meaning.


As to the OP, no homosexuality is not a sin (even if one considers the acts sinful, being gay is not.) Sodom was not destroyed for homosexuality, as much as your poor upbringing might have taught you. In ancient days, it was customary for men to try to take over a town, and rape the citizens of the town to humiliate them and exert power. Rape is about power, not sex. Homosexuality is never mentioned in the story of sodom - get over it.
 
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I think yes; there are many scriptural reasons why but I think this simple phrase was the most punctual and I just thought it a fun way to disapprove of homosexuality. "They basically want to rape the Angels, but Lot went out to the door way and shut the door behind him and said, 'Please my brothers do not do what is natural.' No Lot didn't say that, look what Lot said, He didn't say, 'You were born that way.' No Lot said, 'Please my Brothers do not act wickedly.'" Pretty cut and dry at least scripturally homosexuality is wrong.

I used to work in a halfway house where people had mental illness. They took medication to help them balance their brain chemistry.

However, in the bible, I often wonder if those with "demons" actually had mental illness. Should I then say that because Jesus didn't say, "You have paranoid delusions", that it simply doesn't exist?

I'm unclear with your OP. You don't think it was going to be rape? Really???
You thought they just wanted to have a little sex party with consensual participants?

Judges 19
22While they were celebrating, behold, (L)the men of the city, certain (M)worthless fellows, surrounded the house, pounding the door; and they spoke to the owner of the house, the old man, saying, "Bring out the man who came into your house that we may have relations with him."

23Then the man, the owner of the house, went out to them and said to them, "No, my fellows, please do not act so wickedly; since this man has come into my house, (N)do not commit this act of folly.

24"(O)Here is my virgin daughter and his concubine. Please let me bring them out that you may ravish them and do to them whatever you wish. But do not commit such an act of folly against this man."

25But the men would not listen to him. So the man seized his concubine and brought her out to them; and they raped her and abused her all night until morning, then let her go at the approach of dawn.

26As the day began to dawn, the woman came and fell down at the doorway of the man's house where her master was, until full daylight.

27When her master arose in the morning and opened the doors of the house and went out to go on his way, then behold, his concubine was lying at the doorway of the house with her hands on the threshold.

28He said to her, "Get up and let us go," (P)but there was no answer. Then he placed her on the donkey; and the man arose and went to his home.

29When he entered his house, he took a knife and laid hold of his concubine and (Q)cut her in twelve pieces, limb by limb, and sent her throughout the territory of Israel.

30All who saw it said, "Nothing like this has ever happened or been seen from the day when the sons of Israel came up from the land of Egypt to this day. Consider it, (R)take counsel and speak up!"


That is clearly what they wanted to do to the angels. If it was simply a big orgy, Lot could have said, "No, thanks. I'm flattered, but not interested." He was afraid. He tried to offer his daughters instead. The men were blinded so that Lot's family could leave without harm.

Should I look at Judges, and then, draw a conclusion that heterosexuality is a sin?
 
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Just after your own quotation from Ezekiel 16:49, comes "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me; therefore I took them away as I saw good." Ezekiel 16:50

From Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."

So here we have even from your own quotations that scripturally, the Lord God is condemning Sodom for acts of homosexuality.

By the measure you judge, so shall you be judged.

Have you kept all the laws of Leviticus? That's how you will be judged, and without mercy.
 
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Just after your own quotation from Ezekiel 16:49, comes "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me; therefore I took them away as I saw good." Ezekiel 16:5.

Lots of things are abominations. No mention at all is made of homosexuality, unless you want to make some tortuous link between 'haughty' and any irritating stereotype you may have of gay people.
 
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Beanieboy much of what was in Leviticus was exonerated by Jesus Christ, except homosexuality which he mentions against Sodom himself. So what what?

To those that say that abomination, and wickedness did not mean homosexual, then by all means, find the sources of those words in their context in the Hebrew Bible; by all means, go ahead!
 
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How is raping angels even a "homosexual" act? I can't imagine that angels even have a gender, or any sexual organs, since I'm pretty sure they don't breed.

But I don't think that angels would be male. So how could the sin of Sodom even be thought to be homosexuality. Having sex with angels has to be, like, some form of...Angelusexuality?
 
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I think yes; there are many scriptural reasons why but I think this simple phrase was the most punctual and I just thought it a fun way to disapprove of homosexuality. "They basically want to rape the Angels, but Lot went out to the door way and shut the door behind him and said, 'Please my brothers do not do what is natural.' No Lot didn't say that, look what Lot said, He didn't say, 'You were born that way.' No Lot said, 'Please my Brothers do not act wickedly.'" Pretty cut and dry at least scripturally homosexuality is wrong.

Why does your mythology matter to the real world?
 
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Beanieboy much of what was in Leviticus was exonerated by Jesus Christ, except homosexuality which he mentions against Sodom himself. So what what?

To those that say that abomination, and wickedness did not mean homosexual, then by all means, find the sources of those words in their context in the Hebrew Bible; by all means, go ahead!

Matthew 10


14"Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.

15"Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of (C)Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.

And this, in your understanding, means "I exonerate all Laws in Leviticus except for 2 about men lying with other men, by which I mean, homosexuality, a word that won't even be coined until the 1800s."

So what what?
This is why so many people have stopped listening to people like you. They try to see your point of view, but they just came seem to get their head that far up... Never mind.

All except for 2 verses. Yeah.
 
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Why does your mythology matter to the real world?

Well, I'd been avoiding involving myself in this topic which has been done to death so many times before that it's become a bore to me. However, you're the first that touched on 'mythology' and that sparked my interest. Unless someone can offer proof that Sodom and Gomorrah actually existed and that Lot's wife was turned to a pillar of salt (what?) then I have to concur that the entire thing is a myth or a fable. And so, I agree with you, Morcova ...why does your (SouthernPlanter) mythology matter to the real world?

That someone can be so seriously caught up in all of this is, to me, beyond mind-boggling. SouthernPlanter, get a life!
 
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I think yes.

And here is the crux of it.

You think it is. I don't. Many others don't, including people that follow that your religion.

Considering the diversity of opinions, why ought yours be forced upon other people?

No one is forcing you or anyone else to be homosexual. If you don't like it, don't do it.

Does another person's homosexuality harm you in any way? I can't see how it can. Considering that, and considering the freedoms that your country claims to uphold, shouldn't that mean that homosexuals ought to be able to practice homosexuality with as little opposition as you have to your practising of heterosexuality?
 
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