lordworshipper
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Why would God be inclined to make me in a way that would be torture for me to be because he made me have desires I can't act on?
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Why would God be inclined to make me in a way that would be torture for me to be because he made me have desires I can't act on?If God went through the trouble to make you the way you are why would he be inclined to change you?
He wouldn't, which begs the question, how can God punish someone for something he made them with?If God went through the trouble to make you the way you are why would he be inclined to change you?
He wouldn't, which begs the question, how can God punish someone for something he made them with?
Why would God be inclined to make me in a way that would be torture for me to be because he made me have desires I can't act on?
That's a cop-out. The scriptures as you know them were put together by a council of men, not god. They voted on which texts to include and exclude.
So which denomination is right? Which one has the holy spirit?
Sexual orientation, for most people, is not a choice. Period.
Women were personal property in biblical times. There's no disputing that.
Nowhere does the Bible say that attraction to the same sex is a sin. Trust me, I read the Bible everyday, read it many times over, and am still doing such. What the Bible says is that not homosexuality (attraction to the same sex), but homosexual intercourse is a sin/abomination to he lord.
Trust me, God wouldn't punish us for something we have no control over. He knows we have temptations, we're fallen creatures.
Btw, there is a difference between sexuality and sex, the difference is one is sexual attraction and the other sexual acts. I am willing to be proven wrong, all you need is one verse saying I am. God doesn't like the sins people do, he don't punish us for what the devil puts in our minds, nor what falls into our minds elsewise, as long as we fight off sin, that's all that matters.
If I'm adding my own bias to the interpretation then indeed I wouldn't be the first now, would I? Throughout history Scripture has been read through a biased lens, and has as such been used to derive meaning that was never there to begin with.
Ah, I see... so all those denominations are the direct result of misinterpretation, but your denomination is the consequence of correct interpretation? All denominations make that claim!
Then I press on you, as an experiment, to choose (for a moment) to be attracted to the same sex. Try it and see how long you last.
As I said, it depends on the verse, and the acceptable interpretation (within context) of that verse. For the author need not encode a prejudice for the reader to decode a prejudice. Take for example some of Paul's letters in which he advises women to be silent in Church gatherings. Without context it is not difficult for a reader to assume that Paul is speaking with prejudice in his heart. And indeed that is the problem with a literal interpretation of Scripture (it under-emphasises historical, cultural and situational context).
Do you think it's impossible to understand the intended meaning of scripture?
What does it matter whether or not you're the first? What's your point?
I'm not part of any denomination. Christ is not divided, and I am in Christ, unified with all true believers whether non-denom, Catholic, Pentecostal. . .
Do you think it's impossible to understand the intended meaning of scripture?
Even if I did, it would prove nothing. What would prevent the claim that I'm just faking it? All it would take is to reinforce the choice, somewhat like acquiring a taste for something initially disliked.
I'm not advocating 1 unless you're fluent in Hebrew and, or at least, Greek (since the Septuagint is in Greek). Now, through the Holy Spirit, following the words of the original very closely and interpreting true to fact are simply accomplished, especially with the help of commentators and other resources, like Strong's which shows the Hebrew or Greek definition of each word. So, when I think or say literal interpretation, I think and mean 'following very closely, true to fact, and without inaccuracy.'
By the way, am I supposed to find an example of prejudice in the bible for you? The example provided is of a certain passage which is easy to interpret as being with prejudice, but only if context is ignored/forgotten, and no inquiry into the cultural and historical facts of the situation are made.
Even if I did, it would prove nothing.Then I press on you, as an experiment, to choose (for a moment) to be attracted to the same sex.
If God went through the trouble to make you the way you are why would he be inclined to change you?
Or conversely, if Scripture contradicts reason then it is perhaps our interpretation that is at fault.
But what of the testimony of Christian gays that have struggled for years, remaining celibate, laying their concerns at Jesus' feet and yet nothing has changed?
Paul understood that the sex drive was, itself, not a mere temptation, but something stronger, and that if one does not have the gift that was given to him to withstand it, one would either give in to improper temptations or burn, unless the passions were satisfied in an acceptable way (that is, through marriage). (1 Corinthians 7:1-9)
Are you willing to put your life where your mouth is and declare that you will, from today onward, live a celibate life? None of the celibates that I know insist that another must choose that lifestyle, but I know too many people who enjoy married sex, but insist on denying other men that which they indulge themselves in.
that all depends on what your presupposition of reason is. Your view and construct of what you think reason is is dependent on many eternal elements and presuppositions.
this world is not run by reason and has no concept of it. One persons reason is another persons insanity. That is why divine law is so important. It is impossible for scripture to contradict reason. If you think it does then what you view as 'reason' isn't truly true reason but simply a construct of what you think it is.
My view of Reason is congruent with that of Hume: Reason is a slave, not master, of the passions, and can be used only as a means of telling us how to obtain various desires. On its own, Reason has no power.
Now, there are instances in which the use of Reason has obtained results that do, in fact, contradict what Scripture tells us. Case in point, Genesis. Through the rigorous use of Reason, the data ascertained does not correspond with the model of the cosmos as given in Genesis, and so we must no longer consider that model a serious explanation. It was our literal (and factual) interpretation of Genesis that was wrong, not our use of Reason to find answers.
they are not my leaders neither are they my God. Nor is christianity one.I don't see how it can be with all the openly homosexual church leaders we seem to have these days.
Lastly if reason is a slave of the passions how do you explain killers who have passions to kill and torture people. Many people obstain desires through the destruction and hurting of other people and things. How does this coincide with your assertion?
I have this question for you selfinflicted. you believe that sexuality is not a choice. I then ask you how is your sexual attraction generated? Genetics? If it's genetics. then if all gays became open with their ideal and after their generation and the generation after die out. so would there be no homosexuals left in the world? because surely all of the Gay Genes have died out with them as its impossible for homosexuals to naturally have children.
Comparison of Homosexuality to Bestiality. there is actrually alot in common. What is the difference if its another person of the same sex or an animal? isn't it just an act of pleasure? i say that because it is impossible to have reproduction with the same sex or an animal so that rules out the breeding part of sexuality. And the argument that the human is 'consenting' if there is an animal and its humping another human or wants to be would it not also be consenting?
Nope. He'd be better off submitting himself to Christ and casting his cares upon Him.
Yes it's easier said than done. But that is the process when dealing with sin. It must be given to God. A ot of times we say that we have given it to God, but we don't listen whn He tries to keep us from the same patterns that got us hooked into a stronghold in the first place.
Strongholds are only gonna be overcome by the power of the Holy Spirit.
That simply speaks to the issue not really being brought to God. God will give you victory if the heart's desire is victory.
But a lot of folks say they want victory while secretly holding on to the very thing they say they want victory from.
Most of the texts included in the canon (if not all) were simply those already in use by the church. Development of the Christian Biblical canon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - When these bishops and councils spoke on the matter, however, they were not defining something new, but instead "were ratifying what had already become the mind of the church."
You miss the point. Denominationalism itself is not right.
I'm taking this as there's no disputing you.
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