Is homosexual “love” immoral?

[chnchris]

I know a good bit of straight, Christian (mostly Catholic, so don't bring that up) friends who find nothing wrong with homosexuality. Oh, and for future reference, I'm straight.

Then they're CINO's - Christian In Name Only.
Ah, but you're an atheist.

 

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[chnchris]

Please, your statistics only support the idea that promiscuous unprotected sex isn't recommended, and that sharing needles isn't recommended. Doesn't show anything about homosexuality. Black people make up the majority of people infected in the US, does that mean that it is wrong to be black?
Statistics don't prove anything.

Proves there have been at least 300,000 gay men die from AIDS through 2004 - that's a lot of deaths from deviant sex.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm

In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 70% of all estimated HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2004 (based on data from 35 areas with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting*), even though only about 5% to 7% of male adults and adolescents in the United States identify themselves as MSM [1,2].

Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 506,213 MSM (441,380 MSM and 64,833 MSM who inject drugs) had received a diagnosis of AIDS, accounting for 67% of all male adults and adolescents and 54% of all people who received a diagnosis of AIDS [1].

Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 295,520 MSM (256,053 MSM and 39,467 MSM who inject drugs) with AIDS had died, accounting for 67% of all male adults and adolescents and 56% of all people with AIDS who died [1].


In His Mercy,
chris

 

[Arnold_Philips]

Proves there have been at least 300,000 gay men die from AIDS through 2004 - that's a lot of deaths from deviant sex.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm

In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 70% of all estimated HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2004 (based on data from 35 areas with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting*), even though only about 5% to 7% of male adults and adolescents in the United States identify themselves as MSM [1,2].

Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 506,213 MSM (441,380 MSM and 64,833 MSM who inject drugs) had received a diagnosis of AIDS, accounting for 67% of all male adults and adolescents and 54% of all people who received a diagnosis of AIDS [1].

Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 295,520 MSM (256,053 MSM and 39,467 MSM who inject drugs) with AIDS had died, accounting for 67% of all male adults and adolescents and 56% of all people with AIDS who died [1].


In His Mercy,
chris

This means we need better sex education, more promotion of condom use and safe sex, and more support for stable homosexual relationships.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

This means we need better sex education, more promotion of condom use and safe sex, and more support for stable homosexual relationships.

Gay marriage - a very good solution.

 

[chnchris]

However, that is not a problem now. If anything, the world's too crowded, and because of Exodus and such crazies, we're losing a valuable part of population control. With more heterosexuals procreating, the population's growing too much.Did I just refer to homosexuality as birth control? I think it's time to sleep...

Seems you've slept through some classes also.
If you do a little research, you'll find population
trends are way down, especially in Europe, actually
below replacement levels in many countries.

http://www.jefflindsay.com/Overpop.shtml


Peace be with you Krete,
chris

 

[chnchris]

This means we need better sex education, more promotion of condom use and safe sex, and more support for stable homosexual relationships.

These have all failed: sex ed led to more teens having sex,
the misnomer "safe sex" has led to people being fooled
into believing "safe sex" was possible and using condoms
has actually increased HIV rates. "Stable" homosexual
relationships take too long to develop, ie, too many random
dates which exacerbates the HIV problem.

 

[Arnold_Philips]

These have all failed: sex ed led to more teens having sex,
the misnomer "safe sex" has led to people being fooled
into believing "safe sex" was possible and using condoms
has actually increased HIV rates.

The only things that have failed miserably and demonstrably are abstinence-only education and reparative therapy. It is more than obvious at this point that you can't suppress the driving force that perpetuates a species, and neither can you stifle the fact that people are gay and will continue to be gay whether it suits your personal religious beliefs or not. The relative success or failure of any initiatives regarding safe sex is contigent on these facts, and for you to deny them is reactionary and anti-science.

"Stable" homosexual
relationships take too long to develop, ie, too many random
dates which exacerbates the HIV problem.

This is so incredibly offensive on so many levels. It's the same thing as saying, "Educating black people takes too long, so we should just keep them as slaves." The size of a problem doesn't dictate whether or not you should try to solve it.

And no, stable homosexual relationships, one of which I have been in for 2.5 years, do not take to long to develop, whatever the heck that's supposed to mean anyway. Your implication that gay relationships are in any way "less than" is hatred.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Proves there have been at least 300,000 gay men die from AIDS through 2004 - that's a lot of deaths from deviant sex.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm

In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 70% of all estimated HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2004 (based on data from 35 areas with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting*), even though only about 5% to 7% of male adults and adolescents in the United States identify themselves as MSM [1,2].

Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 506,213 MSM (441,380 MSM and 64,833 MSM who inject drugs) had received a diagnosis of AIDS, accounting for 67% of all male adults and adolescents and 54% of all people who received a diagnosis of AIDS [1].

Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 295,520 MSM (256,053 MSM and 39,467 MSM who inject drugs) with AIDS had died, accounting for 67% of all male adults and adolescents and 56% of all people with AIDS who died [1].


In His Mercy,
chris

They didn't die from ANY sort of sex, deviant or otherwise.

They died from a disease.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

These have all failed: sex ed led to more teens having sex,
the misnomer "safe sex" has led to people being fooled
into believing "safe sex" was possible and using condoms
has actually increased HIV rates. "Stable" homosexual
relationships take too long to develop, ie, too many random
dates which exacerbates the HIV problem.

Yeah... educating women takes too long too... 12 years! Minimum! bare foot, silent, pregnant and in the kitchen from age 14 onwards huh?

Its GOD'S PLAN right?

 

[chnchris]

The only things that have failed miserably and demonstrably are abstinence-only education and reparative therapy.

You are wrong on both counts.

stable homosexual relationships, one of which I have been in for 2.5 years, do not take to long to develop, whatever the heck that's supposed to mean anyway. Your implication that gay relationships are in any way "less than" is hatred.

How many sexcual encounters did you have before?
Facts prove gay men have multiple sex partners before
"settling down." It is not hatred, but stating truths.
Continued denial of such, is part of the problem.


Speaking the truth in love,

chris

 

[chnchris]

They didn't die from ANY sort of sex, deviant or otherwise. They died from a disease.

caused by having sex with men, ie, deviant.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Facts prove gay men have multiple sex partners before
"settling down." It is not hatred, but stating truths.
Continued denial of such, is part of the problem.

WHOSE facts?

Show me where you get these stats that homosexuals are any more likely to have more relationships before settling down than heterosexuals are?

 

[chnchris]

Yeah... educating women takes too long too... 12 years! Minimum! bare foot, silent, pregnant and in the kitchen from age 14 onwards huh? Its GOD'S PLAN right?

cute

 

[EnemyPartyII]

No... caused by a virus.

Study biology a little, you won't sound so foolish

 

[chnchris]

WHOSE facts? Show me where you get these stats that homosexuals are any more likely to have more relationships before settling down than heterosexuals are?

Please don't lie about what i said. i never said " that homosexuals
are any more likely to have more relationships before settling
down than heterosexuals are."

 

[chnchris]

No... caused by a virus.
Study biology a little, you won't sound so foolish

And how was that virus transmitted?

 

[Arnold_Philips]

You are wrong on both counts.

Study Casts Doubt on Abstinence-Only Programs - washingtonpost.com
Study: Abstinence programs no guarantee - CNN.com

Changing sexual orientation via reparative or conversion therapy
PFLAG: Reparative Therapy
Christian Forums - View Single Post - From gay to God

How many sexual encounters did you have before?

That's personal, and it shouldn't matter either. Keep your abstinent old men out of my bedroom.

Facts prove gay men have multiple sex partners before
"settling down." It is not hatred, but stating truths.
Continued denial of such, is part of the problem.


Speaking the truth in love,

chris

How does the fact that gay men tend to be promiscuous lead you to the conclusion that you are justified in harboring hatred for gays?

Your last post made me seriously angry and it's hateful statements like that that make me hate Catholics sometimes.

 

[Arnold_Philips]

And how was that virus transmitted?

Unprotected sex. Promiscuity is the problem, not homosexuality. Please understand this. It's not a difficult concept.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Please don't lie about what i said. i never said " that homosexuals
are any more likely to have more relationships before settling
down than heterosexuals are."

ok, well if you don't think homosexuals are more likely to have many relationships than heterosexuals, its a bit rough of you to accuse homosexuals of promiscuity, isn't it?