Is Hillary Clinton In Violation Of The Espionage Act Regarding Her Private Servers And Devices In Handling "Top Secret" Information?

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Sounds like a biased response to me, your lady of liberty has her blind fold removed, with her scale being tipped fully to the left IMHO

Zinger! :rolleyes:

In the light of FBI director Comeys statement below, there is only "One" reasonable conclusion

Sorta like mom catching little Johnny with his hand in the cookie jar with crumbs on his face, and the question is asked if he ate a cookie and his answer is "No"

Quote FBI Director Comey:

"There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."
:yawn: :sleep: If Comey thought that he had a case, he would have brought it. Ditto Sessions and Barr.
 
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Yes we need just laws applied evenly in our country, there's a reason for the espionage act, and Hillary Clinton violated it, guilty of up to 10 years in prison, and she walked away without being charged before the world watching "Laughing"
There isn't any case law about that particular section because nobody has ever been convicted of it. But, the Supreme Court in the time since the law was passed has found that the Espionage Act in general requires some sort of intent in order to not be in violation of the Constitution. That's what Comey was referring to when he said no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges.
 
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There isn't any case law about that particular section because nobody has ever been convicted of it. But, the Supreme Court in the time since the law was passed has found that the Espionage Act in general requires some sort of intent in order to not be in violation of the Constitution. That's what Comey was referring to when he said no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges.

Comey Was A Flip Flopping Pawn When It Came To Hillary's Prosecution, He Knew Well Hillary Clinton Was "Grossly Negligent", And He Let Her Off The Hook​

The Hill​

Early Comey draft accused Clinton of gross negligence on emails​

BY JOHN SOLOMON - 11/06/17

An early draft of former FBI Director James Comey’s statement closing out the Hillary Clinton email case accused the former secretary of State of having been “grossly negligent” in handling classified information, newly reported memos to Congress show.

The tough language was changed to the much softer accusation that Clinton had been “extremely careless” in her handling of classified information when Comey announced in July 2016 there would be no charges against her.

The change is significant, since federal law states that gross negligence in handling the nation’s intelligence can be punished criminally with prison time or fines.
 
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Comey Was A Flip Flopping Pawn When It Came To Hillary's Prosecution, He Knew Well Hillary Clinton Was "Grossly Negligent", And He Let Her Off The Hook​

The Hill​

Early Comey draft accused Clinton of gross negligence on emails​

BY JOHN SOLOMON - 11/06/17

An early draft of former FBI Director James Comey’s statement closing out the Hillary Clinton email case accused the former secretary of State of having been “grossly negligent” in handling classified information, newly reported memos to Congress show.

The tough language was changed to the much softer accusation that Clinton had been “extremely careless” in her handling of classified information when Comey announced in July 2016 there would be no charges against her.

The change is significant, since federal law states that gross negligence in handling the nation’s intelligence can be punished criminally with prison time or fines.
I wasn’t aware that indictments were under the Director of the FBI’s purview.
Huh.
Learn something new everyday.
 
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I wasn’t aware that indictments were under the Director of the FBI’s purview.
Huh.
Learn something new everyday.
Comey's words used as "Grossly Negligent" were a plain and clear recommendation for prosecution

Comey then changed his tune, and let Hillary of the hook with the soft words of "Extremely Careless"

Of course Comey's words carry weight in a decision to charge and prosecute, do you deny this fact?

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information​


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

FBI.GOV NEWS​

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System​

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.
 
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Comey Was A Flip Flopping Pawn When It Came To Hillary's Prosecution, He Knew Well Hillary Clinton Was "Grossly Negligent", And He Let Her Off The Hook​

The Hill​

Early Comey draft accused Clinton of gross negligence on emails​

BY JOHN SOLOMON - 11/06/17

An early draft of former FBI Director James Comey’s statement closing out the Hillary Clinton email case accused the former secretary of State of having been “grossly negligent” in handling classified information, newly reported memos to Congress show.

The tough language was changed to the much softer accusation that Clinton had been “extremely careless” in her handling of classified information when Comey announced in July 2016 there would be no charges against her.

The change is significant, since federal law states that gross negligence in handling the nation’s intelligence can be punished criminally with prison time or fines.
And like I said, even though the text says "gross negligence" the Supreme Court has found that intent is required. The FBI was not able to find evidence of scienter, without which the case would have failed.
 
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Hillary Clinton was in lawful possession of "Top Secret" information, she through gross negligence permitted this to be removed from its proper place of custody, and put on her private unsecure servers, computers, and mobile phones "Fact"

Hillary Clinton had full knowledge that this "Top Secret" information was removed from its proper place of custody, and placed on the private insecure devices mentioned above

Hillary Clinton was/is in violation of The Federal Espionafe Act, Section18 U.S. Code 793 (f) punishable by fine or maximum sentence of 10 years in prison, or both

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information​


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

FBI.GOV NEWS​

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System​

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.
I don't mind if they arrest Hillary and Donald for the same things.
 
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Hillary Clinton was in lawful possession of "Top Secret" information, she through gross negligence permitted this to be removed from its proper place of custody, and put on her private unsecure servers, computers, and mobile phones
She was found 100% innocent, so there was no gross negligence.

Nothingburger.
 
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And like I said, even though the text says "gross negligence" the Supreme Court has found that intent is required. The FBI was not able to find evidence of scienter, without which the case would have failed.
Please post the case name and it's ruling in opinion regarding the espionage act you have claimed multiple times, waiting?
 
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Obviously she didn't.
Obviously she did, and was left off the hook based upon a two tier system of justice and favoritism, (Just4Us)

Comey Was A Flip Flopping Pawn When It Came To Hillary's Prosecution, He Knew Well Hillary Clinton Was "Grossly Negligent", And He Let Her Off The Hook​

The Hill​

Early Comey draft accused Clinton of gross negligence on emails​

BY JOHN SOLOMON - 11/06/17

An early draft of former FBI Director James Comey’s statement closing out the Hillary Clinton email case accused the former secretary of State of having been “grossly negligent” in handling classified information, newly reported memos to Congress show.

The tough language was changed to the much softer accusation that Clinton had been “extremely careless” in her handling of classified information when Comey announced in July 2016 there would be no charges against her.

The change is significant, since federal law states that gross negligence in handling the nation’s intelligence can be punished criminally with prison time or fines.
 
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I don't mind if they arrest Hillary and Donald for the same things.
You forgot Joe Biden, he's in the classified documents ringer to?

Do we have a two democrats for one republican deal this week?
 
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She was found 100% innocent, so there was no gross negligence.

Nothingburger.
Obviously she wasn't charged or prosecuted, she was let off the hook based upon a two tier system of justice and favoritism, (injustice) or (Just4Us) take your pick
 
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Obviously she did, and was left off the hook based upon a two tier system of justice and favoritism, (Just4Us)

Comey Was A Flip Flopping Pawn When It Came To Hillary's Prosecution, He Knew Well Hillary Clinton Was "Grossly Negligent", And He Let Her Off The Hook​

The Hill​

Early Comey draft accused Clinton of gross negligence on emails​

BY JOHN SOLOMON - 11/06/17

An early draft of former FBI Director James Comey’s statement closing out the Hillary Clinton email case accused the former secretary of State of having been “grossly negligent” in handling classified information, newly reported memos to Congress show.

The tough language was changed to the much softer accusation that Clinton had been “extremely careless” in her handling of classified information when Comey announced in July 2016 there would be no charges against her.

The change is significant, since federal law states that gross negligence in handling the nation’s intelligence can be punished criminally with prison time or fines.
An early draft of the Constitution had “freedom of inebriation”, say.
So what?
 
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It seems to me there is an important issue of intent to be considered. Powell, Rice, & Clinton had unsecure connections during the course of trying to do their job. Seemingly we would want persons in these roles at-the-ready to respond as needed. They weren't trying to do something nefarious; they were trying to be accessible and get work done. On the other hand, what justification is there for carting Top Secret docs to your home after your term of office has expired such as is the case for Trump, Pence, & Biden?
 
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You forgot Joe Biden, he's in the classified documents ringer to?

Do we have a two democrats for one republican deal this week?
How about laws consistently applied?
 
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How about laws consistently applied?
They are consistently applied, "They" get a ticket to freedom, and "We" get a ride to jail

Two tier (Injustice ) or (Just4Us)

And yes I also believe in justice applied consistently, something intangible in our present world
 
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