Is Heaven where we finally become invisible?

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

devin553344 said:
Well E=mc^2 indicates that mass has a lot of energy. But the gravitational curvature is pretty small. So no you won't weigh that much. I'm currently working on a theory that links the wave curvature to the gravitational curvature. And that might explain why we don't weigh that much. But it's just speculation at this point.

I think demons have mass of some type. Some type of energy sure.

Do you believe that invisibility comes with complexity? For instance, I am invisible to you right now, because of time and space, but if we were in one dimension, would I be visible to you?

Is this discussion forum a one (or two) dimensional existence, set within a three dimensional (or four) world?

Devin Newsome · Mar 17, 2019

Tone said:
So unseen and invisible are synonymous.

No.

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

Devin Newsome said:
No.

Can you elaborate?

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

chilehed said:
You speak of invisibility as if it were something to aspire to. I don't understand where that comes from, but there's no reason to think that we'll be invisible in heaven, because we will have physical bodies. And if being invisible means that something isn't a thing at all, then you seem to be looking forward to not existing.

I think I can see why you differ here, after all, darkness makes things less visible and light makes things more visible. So, in heaven, you'd think that we would be more visible than ever...right?

Psalms 139:12
"Even the darkness is not dark to you; the night is bright as the day, for darkness is as light with you."

Ephesians 5:14
"For anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

Devin Newsome · Mar 17, 2019

Tone said:
Can you elaborate?

Sure.

Jesus is unseen but he’s not invisible. He’s exalted to the right hand of the Father.

I could hide an Easter egg and it would be unseen but not invisible.

Just because you cannot currently see the heavenly rhealm doesn’t mean it’s invisible.

There are a billion galaxies that are unseen but they are not invisible.

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

Devin Newsome said:
Sure.

Jesus is unseen but he’s not invisible. He’s exalted to the right hand of the Father.

I could hide an Easter egg and it would be unseen but not invisible.

Just because you cannot currently see the heavenly rhealm doesn’t mean it’s invisible.

There are a billion galaxies that are unseen but they are not invisible.

Fair enough!

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

Devin Newsome said:
Sure.

Jesus is unseen but he’s not invisible. He’s exalted to the right hand of the Father.

I could hide an Easter egg and it would be unseen but not invisible.

Just because you cannot currently see the heavenly rhealm doesn’t mean it’s invisible.

There are a billion galaxies that are unseen but they are not invisible.

Well, wait...we can't compare the location of Messiah to the location of an easter egg or even galaxies, because they are subject to the space time continuum...I don't believe He is.

The reason why the egg or the galaxies aren't invisible is because we are subject to the same dimensions as they are, but heaven is another existence altogether.

Devin Newsome · Mar 17, 2019

Tone said:
Well, wait...we can't compare the location of Messiah to the location of an easter egg or even galaxies, because they are subject to the space time continuum...I don't believe He is.

The reason why the egg or the galaxies aren't invisible is because we are subject to the same dimensions as they are, but heaven is another existence altogether.

Since you’ve never been to heaven I would guess that you don’t know.

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

Devin Newsome said:
Since you’ve never been to heaven I would guess that you don’t know.

No, but the Bible does say:

1 Timothy 6:16
"who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."

dms1972 · Mar 17, 2019

No we won't be invisible, the Bible says believers will have resurrection bodies patterned after Jesus' resurrection body.

Devin Newsome · Mar 17, 2019

Tone said:
No, but the Bible does say:

1 Timothy 6:16
"who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."

Nothing in that passage states that heaven is in another dimension.

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

dms1972 said:
No we won't be invisible, the Bible says believers will have resurrection bodies patterned after Jesus' resurrection body.

You're correct, but it doesn't specify whether or not we will be invisible, in the sense that, we won't be in this decaying universe. If we remain in a universe of entropy, we will be in corruption.

1 Corinthians 15:50
"But this I say my brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of Heaven, neither does corruption inherit indestructibility."

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

Devin Newsome said:
Nothing in that passage states that heaven is in another dimension.

Well, if heaven were in the dimensions we are in now...wouldn't it be in corruption?

Devin Newsome · Mar 17, 2019

Tone said:
Well, if heaven were in the dimensions we are in now...wouldn't it be in corruption?

Since we don’t know where heaven is anything offered is pure speculation.

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

Devin Newsome said:
Since we don’t know where heaven is anything offered is pure speculation.

Indeed, which is why we are in (so to speak) a philosophy thread...

Tone · Mar 17, 2019

Thank you all for your philosophications, by the way!

DamianWarS · Mar 18, 2019

Tone said:
God is nothing (no thing), which is why we can't see Him...He is invisible...

We can't even see heaven-His dwelling place.

So, when we are no longer visible...when we are no longer a "thing" to be pointed at...

Is it then, when we have arrived?

2 Corinthians 4:18
"So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal."

1 Timothy 1:17
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen."

1 Timothy 6:16
"who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."

1 John 3:2
"Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is."

1 Corinthians 15:52-55
"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal mustput on immortality.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"

And one more question:

Does the invisible die?

*I wanted to change the title to the below, but couldn't:
Is Heaven where/when we finally become invisible?

define invisible

Tone · Mar 18, 2019

DamianWarS said:
define invisible

I mean it as not being seen, detected, or sensed by the enemy and his works.

DamianWarS · Mar 18, 2019

Tone said:
I mean it as not being seen, detected, or sensed by the enemy and his works.

who is the enemy? I don't describe myself as physically seeing God so am I the enemy... or is it just a spiritual thing?

Tone · Mar 18, 2019

DamianWarS said:
who is the enemy? I don't describe myself as physically seeing God so am I the enemy... or is it just a spiritual thing?

You hear the Father though, right...and feel His Spirit at times?

As for the enemy, well, here's a hint...his works are stealing, killing, and destroying.

What I mostly have in mind, concerning space/time is heaven being a "place" with no entropy...you know, decay. So, as I understand it, the enemy is here in this fallen world--this space-time continuum, wherein our senses operate, e.g., sight.

Is Heaven where we finally become invisible?

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