Is Harris really a moderate?

[cow451]

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[ThatRobGuy]

Regis, I'd like to Ask the Audience.

There's objective metrics and subjective metrics...

Even the article you linked mentioned that often times "voters are not the best arbiters of their own intentions".

The perception of being a moderate, and actually a moderate (in terms of where policies fall on the present day spectrum) aren't likely to have 100% overlap. There are probably a significant number of people who would designate "moderate" as "any democrat who doesn't use the talking points of an AOC or Bernie Sanders"

Moderate, in term of a political definition, is often defined as "an ideological category which designates a rejection of radical or extreme views".


It's not uncommon for people on both sides to have very fluid views on this based on what they feel offers the most political expediency...and it's not always going in the direction of 'viewing someone as more moderate than they actually are', sometimes it's going in the other direction.

For instance, if you look at what Shawn King had to say about Biden/Harris not long ago compared to now...

 

[cow451]

There's objective metrics and subjective metrics...

Even the article you linked mentioned that often times "voters are not the best arbiters of their own intentions".

The perception of being a moderate, and actually a moderate (in terms of where policies fall on the present day spectrum) aren't likely to have 100% overlap. There are probably a significant number of people who would designate "moderate" as "any democrat who doesn't use the talking points of an AOC or Bernie Sanders"

Moderate, in term of a political definition, is often defined as "an ideological category which designates a rejection of radical or extreme views".


It's not uncommon for people on both sides to have very fluid views on this based on what they feel offers the most political expediency...and it's not always going in the direction of 'viewing someone as more moderate than they actually are', sometimes it's going in the other direction.

For instance, if you look at what Shawn King had to say about Biden/Harris not long ago compared to now...

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Is Shaun King somebody whose opinion I am supposed to consider?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Is Shaun King somebody whose opinion I am supposed to consider?

No...I wouldn't recommend anyone take their queues from social media personalities.

But the reality is that many people do take their queues from social media influencers.

Evidence of that is when you look at various events (one particular example would be Politicon), and look at the debates they arrange or speakers they book. It's becoming more increasingly popular social media commentators, and fewer high ranking subject matter experts.

These are events that have numerous prominent policy experts and high ranking journalists and former presidential administration members and former and current Governors, Senators, etc...

Yet the keynote debates end up being things like:
Hasan Piker vs. Charlie Kirk
Cenk Uygur vs. Ben Shapiro
Chris Hahn vs. Michael Knowles

...then some of the keynote speakers ended up being
Alyssa Milano
Adam Corolla
Clay Aiken
etc...

People seem to be more interested in what "popular people on social media (who agree with my positions) have to say"


Acknowledging the impact that social media has on the electorate isn't something that people can selectively choose to recognize... The reason why the heads of social media companies had to sit in front of congress, and why people attributed election results to social media misinformation, is precisely because they acknowledged the impact.

Not directing this next part at you...

But it's not uncommon to find people acknowledge the influence, and demand things like "fact-checking" when it's the other side spreading misinformation or influence, but when it's someone from their own side saying something false or self-contradicting, dismiss it as "it's just some social media person saying something, who cares what they say anyway"

 

[cow451]

No...I wouldn't recommend anyone take their queues from social media personalities.

But the reality is that many people do take their queues from social media influencers.

Evidence of that is when you look at various events (one particular example would be Politicon), and look at the debates they arrange or speakers they book. It's becoming more increasingly popular social media commentators, and fewer high ranking subject matter experts.

These are events that have numerous prominent policy experts and high ranking journalists and former presidential administration members and former and current Governors, Senators, etc...

Yet the keynote debates end up being things like:
Hasan Piker vs. Charlie Kirk
Cenk Uygur vs. Ben Shapiro
Chris Hahn vs. Michael Knowles

...then some of the keynote speakers ended up being
Alyssa Milano
Adam Corolla
Clay Aiken
etc...

People seem to be more interested in what "popular people on social media (who agree with my positions) have to say"


Acknowledging the impact that social media has on the electorate isn't something that people can selectively choose to recognize... The reason why the heads of social media companies had to sit in front of congress, and why people attributed election results to social media misinformation, is precisely because they acknowledged the impact.

Not directing this next part at you...

But it's not uncommon to find people acknowledge the influence, and demand things like "fact-checking" when it's the other side spreading misinformation or influence, but when it's someone from their own side saying something false or self-contradicting, dismiss it as "it's just some social media person saying something, who cares what they say anyway"

I don’t care two rips about social media influencers even when they agree with me.

 

[Speedwell]

I don’t care two rips about social media influencers even when they agree with me.

I'm really too old for social media. When I want well-reasoned political opinions I generally go to a bar.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I don’t care two rips about social media influencers even when they agree with me.

I get it...that's true of many people.

However, my point was simply that there are people in certain age ranges are influenced enough by it where it's enough of an impact that people speculate that it was enough to swing elections one way or the other.

Otherwise, government actors wouldn't be trying to compel private social media companies to filter & fact-check their content.

Why the surge in racist misinformation about Kamala Harris is so worrisome

...Even Kamala, herself, seems to think it's a pretty big concern given that she grilled Mark Zuckerberg for a long time during the Senate hearings.

So I'm basically saying that people can't have it both ways...either social media is such an influence that it can trick people into voting for Donald Trump and dupe them into believing Covid misinformation...or "nobody cares what social media people say so why bother focusing on it".

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Regis, I'd like to Ask the Audience.

Necromancy?

 

[Sketcher]

It's crazy how people have Biden dead, but not Trump. Both are on the older side. I see no evidence, that Biden didn't do his job well. When he was a vice president. And with all the crap Trump has tried to pull on him. To dirty his name. I'm surprised Biden made it this far in being sane.

Trump could easily not finish a second term - and I'd be OK with that. The most plausible way to get the country back on track is for Trump to be re-elected, and to not finish his second term. Hopefully it will be early, and hopefully it won't involve assassination attempts or scandals.

 

[Pommer]

There's objective metrics and subjective metrics...

Even the article you linked mentioned that often times "voters are not the best arbiters of their own intentions".

The perception of being a moderate, and actually a moderate (in terms of where policies fall on the present day spectrum) aren't likely to have 100% overlap. There are probably a significant number of people who would designate "moderate" as "any democrat who doesn't use the talking points of an AOC or Bernie Sanders"

Moderate, in term of a political definition, is often defined as "an ideological category which designates a rejection of radical or extreme views".


It's not uncommon for people on both sides to have very fluid views on this based on what they feel offers the most political expediency...and it's not always going in the direction of 'viewing someone as more moderate than they actually are', sometimes it's going in the other direction.

For instance, if you look at what Shawn King had to say about Biden/Harris not long ago compared to now...

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Aye.
“Politics make strange bedfellows”—Charles Dudley Warner

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I don’t care two rips about social media influencers even when they agree with me.

Even PewDiePie?

 

[cow451]

Even PewDiePie?

Especially!

 

[stevil]

If the democrats win over Trump this time around (and there's a good chance that'll happen), she's not going to be VP for long. Biden's not going to serve out the entirety of his first term. 3-4 months in, he'll step down due to health issues, and she'll be running the show.

What evidence is there to support this claim?

There's a separation of powers for a reason, there's supposed to be a balance there.

We are talking about Harris not Trump here right?

Based on her statements, she sounds like she'd just be a left-wing version of the person democrats claim to hate.

Do you have any evidence supporting this claim?

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Trump could easily not finish a second term - and I'd be OK with that. The most plausible way to get the country back on track is for Trump to be re-elected, and to not finish his second term. Hopefully it will be early, and hopefully it won't involve assassination attempts or scandals.

Both are more likely to live the next 4 years. Since they have the best doctors. And, I see Pence to be extreme with possibly forcing us live as Christian moral religion lives only. And it will back fire. Trump and Pence hasn't helped the nation debt . Or the environment.