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Is Gravity About To Get Plutoed?

AV1611VET

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I was asked my opinion and I gave it. You're welcome to think (or "know") I'm wrong ... and I'll do the same with you guys.

Fair enough?
 
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Why do you automatically assume that the Scofield Reference Bible is the last word on this, that if he would look at the arguments those scientists have he would reach the same conclusion you have, or that those people who disagree with you have not seen both the arguments in Scofield and the other side of the debate?

I have yet to see you show that you actually have any inkling of a clue about the arguments of those who think Matthew had different authors. In fact, my suspicion is that you think they can just take a hike.
 
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Frankly because I think they're just parroting something they've heard; not to mention the fact that they probably don't have a Scofield Reference Bible.

The conversation might go something like this:

IS: I've never seen anyone reconcile the events of the Resurrection Day.
ME: [types Scofield's footnote] Now you have.
IS: Scofield is wrong. I've never seen anyone [correctly] reconcile the events of the Resurrection Day.
 
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Because I said it.

Watch him backtrack now that you made a point.

Perhaps, but likely that is giving yourself a bit too much honour AV. The view the historians other scientists in the social or cultural sciences are not actual scientists is still reasonably wide-spread. So personally, I'll go for that reason rather than you being the causative factor.
 
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I think that is quite a misrepresentation of the way these debates go, especially if the debate involves you, but whatever.
 
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... That's not fair! I work so hard to be wrong all the time!
 
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I think that is quite a misrepresentation of the way these debates go, especially if the debate involves you, but whatever.

You're easy to get along with! Thank you!
 
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I suppose.

But then, if scientists can speculate that Matthew didn't write Matthew, and that the prophecies in the Bible were penciled in ex post facto, yadda and so forth ... am I supposed to really care?
That observation did not come from scientists, it came from historians.

I believe that they could tell by how it was written in Greek that it was written by someone born and raised in Greece, unlike Matthew. But I am not an expert so please don't quote me on that.
 
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"They" can actually tell that it was originally composed in Hebrew. (And the actual first inking of it, as well as the date, is irrelevant anyway)

Sources or links to support this claim?

Please note, on mine I was not sure and openly said so.

I tell you what. Let's have a race. I will wait a minute or so and start my search. You can search when you read this. Winner is the first one who comes up with a reliable source that supports their claim. Go.
 
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Alright after checking several sources it seems pretty clear that Matthew was written in Greek. The two main factors that lead people to conclude this is that he very often copies Mark word for word in Greek in his Gospel. Second there are none of the hallmarks of translation that an expert can spot.

I looked at both Christian and neutral sites when I checked into this. The neutral sites all said that it was written in Greek, a couple of Christian sites said it was written in Aramaic, but the vast majority said Greek. And all that the fundamental Christian sites could name as their evidence was one unsubstantiated quote from the second century.

Links anyone?

Oh, and here is a quote from the Wycliffe Bible Commentary:

 
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Again, why wouldn't historians be scientists?


Hmm, interesting question.

I am sure that they have their own form of peer review. My question, how would a historian perform an experiment? Perhaps the same way that paleontologists do. I suppose they could even write theories about how past events happened.

In a sense I don't see why the scientific method could not be applied to history. The question is do they apply it?
 
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