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Everyone is familiar with the "days" of creations from day 1 to day 6. If you are not then read the first chapter of the bible.

On the sixth day of course we see man is created and then in Genesis 2:2 we see God taking the seventh day and resting. So man was living and breathing while God was resting.

Some people think of these "days" of creation like ages or large spans of time. Like the verse in 2 Peter 3:8 "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." And this may help to agree with our evolutionist friends who say the earth is 4.54 billion years. Now a more literal biblical interpretation to how old the earth is would put the earth at about 5700 to a max of 10000 years old. Even at the largest number the 10000 years puts a very small dent in 4.54 billion years.

So lets assume the earth is 4.54 billion years and the biblical time-line (we will say after creation) is about 10000 years. Well the 10000 really doesn't do anything to the 4.54 billion so in the interest of rounding we will just cancel it out all together. lets then take the 4.54 billion and divide it into 7 pieces... well again in the interest of rounding you get around 65 million. So if each of these "days" were all equal and the earth is 4.54 billion years old these days would be about 65 million years long. And this would also mean the seventh day is also 65 million years long and would mean that God is still resting (and we got a long way to go before he stops).

Now this word translated into "rest" is the hebrew word for Sabbath (shä·vath') and it is also the root word for the other hebrew sabbath words like shab·bäth' and shab·bä·thōn'; they all can be translated into English as sabbath (and all are with the translations I looked at). This word shä·vath' when used outside of the context of the sabbath means things like to stop, cease, put an end to, remove, exclude, etc.... It of course also can mean rest but the more popular meanings are not rest but the former words. God of course does not need to rest because he lacks nothing thus lacks the need for rest (and any other need) so perhaps on the seventh day God didn't rest but instead he just stopped creating. But again that puts us into the same question... is God still in his seventh day and just sort of stopped? This would go along with these beliefs that God just set us up and has forgotten about us.

Perhaps God is in the seventh day still but his "resting" is just limited to creating but he still is a part of his creation there is just nothing new coming out. Or perhaps the seventh day is over which would suggest God is no longer resting and is "back on the horse" I suppose the question really is what is God resting from and is he still resting and when (or if) he is done resting what will he start doing?
 
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Everyone is familiar with the "days" of creations from day 1 to day 6. If you are not then read the first chapter of the bible.

On the sixth day of course we see man is created and then in Genesis 2:2 we see God taking the seventh day and resting. So man was living and breathing while God was resting.

Some people think of these "days" of creation like ages or large spans of time. Like the verse in 2 Peter 3:8 "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." And this may help to agree with our evolutionist friends who say the earth is 4.54 billion years. Now a more literal biblical interpretation to how old the earth is would put the earth at about 5700 to a max of 10000 years old. Even at the largest number the 10000 years puts a very small dent in 4.54 billion years.

So lets assume the earth is 4.54 billion years and the biblical time-line (we will say after creation) is about 10000 years. Well the 10000 really doesn't do anything to the 4.54 billion so in the interest of rounding we will just cancel it out all together. lets then take the 4.54 billion and divide it into 7 pieces... well again in the interest of rounding you get around 65 million. So if each of these "days" were all equal and the earth is 4.54 billion years old these days would be about 65 million years long. And this would also mean the seventh day is also 65 million years long and would mean that God is still resting (and we got a long way to go before he stops).

Now this word translated into "rest" is the hebrew word for Sabbath (shä·vath') and it is also the root word for the other hebrew sabbath words like shab·bäth' and shab·bä·thōn'; they all can be translated into English as sabbath (and all are with the translations I looked at). This word shä·vath' when used outside of the context of the sabbath means things like to stop, cease, put an end to, remove, exclude, etc.... It of course also can mean rest but the more popular meanings are not rest but the former words. God of course does not need to rest because he lacks nothing thus lacks the need for rest (and any other need) so perhaps on the seventh day God didn't rest but instead he just stopped creating. But again that puts us into the same question... is God still in his seventh day and just sort of stopped? This would go along with these beliefs that God just set us up and has forgotten about us.

Perhaps God is in the seventh day still but his "resting" is just limited to creation but he still is a part of his creation there is just nothing new coming out. Or perhaps the seventh day is over which would suggest God is no longer resting and is "back on the horse" I suppose the question really is what is God resting from and is he still resting and when (or if) he is done resting what will he start doing?

That's kind of a cool post DWS, but are you forgetting that God Himself came down to see what was going on in Sodom and Gomorrah?

He wasn't resting when He lead Israel by day and by night as a pillar of smoke and fire. Or while talking with Moses as a friend talks to a friend.

He seems to be awake when He said: "This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased."

Etc., etc., etc..

You may like this organization: www.biologos.org
 
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In several millions of years?

Not quite the "Good News" most are thinking about.


Why not? We don't know how long each 'day' is. Do any of us know how old the earth really is? Who is right? Some say millions, some billions, some thousands......
 
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Why not? We don't know how long each 'day' is. Do any of us know how old the earth really is? Who is right? Some say millions, some billions, some thousands......

I don't care about the age of the earth, only the age of man. Our salvation started with the son of Adam Seth.

But a God we are going to be waiting for for millions and millions of years is ludicrous. Mankind is not going to be on this planet for millions of years.

Jesus is coming back for His Church of evolved Cockroaches or Lizards?

Do the math Ms..
 
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That's kind of a cool post DWS, but are you forgetting that God Himself came down to see what was going on in Sodom and Gomorrah?

you are assuming the meaning of the word "rest" as used in Genesis 2:2. As explained in my first post it can mean other things than just rest for example it could be the word stop "And God Stopped". What however is God "resting" from... like I brought up in my first post it could just be creating in that God is resting from creating more things but that doesn't mean he is not involved with creation.

But now that I looked at it more the verse in question Genesis 2:2 says "... He rested on the seventh day ..." In English the past tense form of the verb "rest" suggests it has already taken place. I know a little about these Semitic languages (like arabic, hebrew, etc...) So I did a little research into the word. The hebrew word is
וישבת
The green part is the word in question translated as "rest" or the hebrew word shä·vath' (english sabbath). The Blue part is the hebrew letter yod and used as a prefix in the word which means it designates the third person singular. The red part is called the "Vav-consecutive" and it changes the tense of the word. In this case it changes it to past tense. So what we have here is: He (third person singular) rested (past tense verb).

The hebrew grammer lesson is over but the point is the word is in the past tense so suggesting it is over and God has finished resting thus the seventh day is over. If Moses wrote the book of Genesis that would at the very most put the seventh day the length of time from Adam to Moses. So we are talking about 2500 years or so (if you use a more literal timeline).

With that said maybe the seventh day is over but then that would mean God is no longer resting... onemorequestion seems to have assumed what a "resting God" means (which seems to be a non-involved God) but I'm not trying to suggest I know the answer to that and I certainly don't believe God is not involved in his creation but that doesn't mean he is still not in this "resting" or "stopped" state. So I guess that brings up another question what is the difference between a resting God and a rested God.
 
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Dear DamianWarS. I believe that God was showing us to do our work, and then rest a while. God is Love, does Love ever rest? No, when we pray, we always ask Jesus to bring and plead, our prayers to God. And since there are many prayers from us, that alone will keep God busy. We may be sure, however, that God will have " Rest-days." I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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I don't care about the age of the earth, only the age of man. Our salvation started with the son of Adam Seth.

But a God we are going to be waiting for for millions and millions of years is ludicrous. Mankind is not going to be on this planet for millions of years.

Jesus is coming back for His Church of evolved Cockroaches or Lizards?

Do the math Ms..

I don't know what you are talking about. Sorry. I never said anything about waiting for God for billions of years. I am referring to the 'days' in Genesis. I was merely wondering if each day could have been say, 2000 years? In that case, if God is resting til Jesus comes, His rest may just about be over. Just a thought.... :) Reread my post. You have misunderstood what I said.
 
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Dear DamianWarS. I believe that God was showing us to do our work, and then rest a while. God is Love, does Love ever rest? No, when we pray, we always ask Jesus to bring and plead, our prayers to God. And since there are many prayers from us, that alone will keep God busy. We may be sure, however, that God will have " Rest-days." I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

you are assuming what "rest" means in Genesis 2:2 and then assuming that's what I mean. I may have talked about this idea of an absence God but I did not intend to suggest that this is the only way rest can be defined. I did talk about other points I'm not sure why every one keeps coming to this conclusion.

To talk about your post, it is clear that God did rest, even if for a moment and during that moment man had already been created. So whatever "rest" is it did happen which means love (God) did rest.

The word used for rest (or rested) in this verse is more literally translated into "sabbath". But sabbath as a verb not as a noun. So God "sabbathed" on the 7th day. Now this verb sabbath is used to express different things in the bible not just in context with the actual sabbath. Things like cease, rest, fail, celebrate and so on. The thing is whatever the word that is used it is not saying that it effected every part of God so he could do nothing else but that action. For example if the word was "cease" that doesn't mean God stopped altogether but instead it means he stopped doing something. If the word is "rest" it doesn't mean God is asleep and inactive it means he rested from something but he can still be quite active in something else.

The question is what did he "sabbath" from, what does God "sabbathing" look like and is he still in that state.
 
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Dear DamienWarS. Thanks for the quick reply. I was thinking the way Jesus told us to believe. " Unless you believe like a child you will not enter God`s Kingdom." Your message was rather complicated, and a bit above me. I say this humbly and with love, DamienWarS. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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Yes, actually, we do. They're 24 hours long.

Do you KNOW that? Isn't it true that not everything in the Bible is literal? Some things are figuratively spoken, you can't deny that. Jesus spoke figuratively ALOT.
Blessings.
 
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Jakihe said:
Do you KNOW that?

Yes, we know that. That's why I said "Yes, we know that".

Isn't it true that not everything in the Bible is literal?

We're not talking about an issue of literal vs not literal. We're talking about language and context.

Some things are figuratively spoken, you can't deny that.

Yes, I do agree that some things are figuratively spoken in order to illustrate a literal truth. However, again, that isn't what we're talking about here.
 
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I have found some more insight on Genesis 2:2 in Hebrews.

Its hard to just quote 1 or 2 verses here because the context gets a little lost so I will just explain quickly and if you want to read it for yourself then go ahead. In hebrews 3:7-11 the author quotes Psalm 95:7-11. This passage is talking about the Israelites in the dessert for 40 years who were not allowed to go into the promise land because of their unbelief. It goes on saying that because of their unbelief "They shall never enter [God's] rest"

Now the author here is using "God's rest" to show the kingdom of heaven. The original passage that psalms is talking about is found in Numbers 14:28–35 and "God's rest", although not mentioned like that in Numbers, is the promise land. Psalms uses it as some sort of metaphor for a rest in God and the author of Hebrews uses it to speak about the kingdom of heaven.

Hebrews 4:3-5 says:
Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
"So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' " And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work." And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."


The word used here for "rested" is the greek καταπαύω (katapauō) which has a much clearer meaning connected to resting, stopping, or ending specifically from work. And verse 10 also shows this "for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his." So this passage gives us more insight into what God rested from. So God rested from his work because his work was finished.

This brings to mind the creation account in Genesis where each time God created something he looked upon it and "saw that it was good" He continued this until he was finished when he look at all he had made and saw that it was "very good." This then brings us to the seventh day where God rested. He looked at his work and said it was complete and then rested from the work knowing he was finished. The work seems to be God's creative power and the "rest" seems to be a satisfaction of completing the work. So on the seventh day God has stopped creating because he was satisfied with his creation and his rest then is this satisfied pleasure from his work.

In Hebrews it seems to connect Genesis 2:2 with the idea that we to can partake of this rest that God went into. Although the text in both Genesis and Hebrews both use past tense verbs "rested" these grammatical words alone do not express how long the rest was or if God is still resting. However from the context of the text both in Genesis and Hebrews it would seem that God has completed his creative work and thus stopped and rested from it and God has yet to start this creative work up again. So this would seem to suggest God is still resting since if he was finished resting then he would start creating again. Hebrews also says we can enter into this rest if we believe. the author is talking about the kingdom of heaven but still also suggests that this "sabbath rest" God went into after creation we can still be a part of and the invitation has been there since it God's rest started.
 
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is God still resting?

God has been revealing parts of this to me in recent years. Genesis 1, the story of creation is about Jesus Christ, at least part of it.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
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Gen. 1:3 Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

John 1:4 through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race;

John 8:12 Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
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Gen. 1:4 God saw how good the light was. God then separated the light from the darkness.


John 1:5 the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it

Matthew 4:16 the people who sit in darkness have seen a great light, on those dwelling in a land overshadowed by death light has arisen."
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Genesis is the revelation of Jesus coming into the world. He is the light of Genesis, he is the beginning(the Alpha) and the end (the Omega). He separates the light from the darkness and all that were in the darkness(judgment of death) a light has arisen(righteousness through faith in Jesus).

Genesis 2:2 Since on the seventh day God was finished with the work he had been doing, he rested on the seventh day from all the work he had undertaken.

John 19:28 After this, aware that everything was now finished, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I thirst."

John 19: 30 When Jesus had taken the wine, he said, "It is finished." And bowing his head, he handed over the spirit.
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Jesus' rested on the 7th day because he was finished with the works he had undertaken.

The 7th day of Genesis which God blessed represent the rest that we have in Jesus Christ. Those that are in his light no longer have to work for their justification. Those that work are not in Jesus but are in the darkness.

The 7th day is not about a day of the week, it is each and everyday that we are in Jesus' rest.

Praise God and his Son Jesus Christ.
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[/b]the story of creation is about Jesus Christ

this certainly does paint a beautiful picture of Jesus Christ being the light of the world and we can find rest in the grace that he provides. After all without grace we cannot partake in communion with God so it is needed in order for us to reach this point of "rest in God"

It is interesting to see that the first day God created light and separated the light from the darkness. Immediately we see a contrast from the light yet God only says the light is good and there is no such claim for darkness. Well this presents a whole pile of philosophical questions. How can you have light without darkness, one defines the other. God speaks the light into existence and separates if from the darkness and calls it good. There is no mention of God saying "let there be dark", God does not embrace the darkness he only embraces the light and sets the light aside and God does not call the darkness good. Even here we see a contrast of "good" and "evil".

We can see a similar event happening in the end times:

Matthew 25:31-32
"But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
"All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;

We also see this same imagery repeated for example "gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff" or
 
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I think sha-bawth in Genesis 2 simply means He ceased from His work of the initial creation which was very "good". He neither slumbers nor sleeps and of course needs no "rest" (shabbat). We who are in Christ also no longer have to strive or work to be right with God. He did it and we are in Him.
 
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