I have always come from the understanding that God is all. That concept is often misconstrued when it comes to medicine. While Faith has a factual history of healing, medicine is an experimental method built on hypotheses and theory. But if God truly is all isn't he also Mind, and therefore could he not guide proper conclusions to medicine? Finally if God is Life, wouldn't then life only be spiritual and if it is spiritual how can we expect a material outcome. I never look for a material outcome when I turn to prayer, instead I look to understand that God's goodness cannot be denied. Instead of praying for something to happen I focus on recognizing the simple fact that Love and Life are laws that govern all of us. I'd like to share with you all a healing that had an impossible medical diagnosis...
if you would like additional background on the healing check out the episode before
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Just my personal experience:
In 40 years as a health care provider, having seen 1000s of patients, I've never known anyone with a chronic illness cured solely by prayer, or some similar kind of religious intervention. I've seen plenty of people improve significantly who prayed and received medical treatment. I've seen some people with diabetes and hypertension eliminate their need for medication. Many of whom probably prayed. But they also followed a diet, exercised, and lost weight. (Prayer might have helped them do this, and if so, that's great. But if they lost weight without praying, they'd almost certainly have the same good outcome.) I remember one patient quite well. She and her husband were both quite religious and often attended evangelistic crusades that would come into town. She had quite advanced hip arthritis. She was in a lot of pain and needed a cane, and sometimes a walker. But she was very afraid of getting hip replacement surgery. One day she comes into the office in a totally upbeat mood. She'd been to a healing ministry event a few days earlier, and she now felt great. The minister laid hands on her, and he and the whole congregation prayed for her deliverance from disability. She immediately felt the pain leaving her body. She said she walked through the arena without pain for the first time in years. She believed that she'd been cured. I recall that she really did look much better and was walking without assistance. So I did an x-ray of her hip. She may have felt better, but she wasn't cured. Her hip joint was the same--bone on bone, no joint space (meaning no cartilage,) a partially collapsed femoral head, and large bone spurs. I told her her x-ray hadn't changed, but it was great that she was feeling better. And I asked her to keep in touch. And a week or so later she was back in the office. The pain had returned--and maybe worse than before. (I think she might have been in a wheelchair.) But now she was also terribly depressed thinking that she didn't have enough faith, or that God didn't love her, or she had committed some sin that caused her relapse. So this "healing" ministry not only didn't work, it provoked a crisis of faith, which made her feel worse.
If there is a hell, there ought to be an especially scorching place for these charlatans.
In 40 years as a health care provider, having seen 1000s of patients, I've never known anyone with a chronic illness cured solely by prayer, or some similar kind of religious intervention. I've seen plenty of people improve significantly who prayed and received medical treatment. I've seen some people with diabetes and hypertension eliminate their need for medication. Many of whom probably prayed. But they also followed a diet, exercised, and lost weight. (Prayer might have helped them do this, and if so, that's great. But if they lost weight without praying, they'd almost certainly have the same good outcome.) I remember one patient quite well. She and her husband were both quite religious and often attended evangelistic crusades that would come into town. She had quite advanced hip arthritis. She was in a lot of pain and needed a cane, and sometimes a walker. But she was very afraid of getting hip replacement surgery. One day she comes into the office in a totally upbeat mood. She'd been to a healing ministry event a few days earlier, and she now felt great. The minister laid hands on her, and he and the whole congregation prayed for her deliverance from disability. She immediately felt the pain leaving her body. She said she walked through the arena without pain for the first time in years. She believed that she'd been cured. I recall that she really did look much better and was walking without assistance. So I did an x-ray of her hip. She may have felt better, but she wasn't cured. Her hip joint was the same--bone on bone, no joint space (meaning no cartilage,) a partially collapsed femoral head, and large bone spurs. I told her her x-ray hadn't changed, but it was great that she was feeling better. And I asked her to keep in touch. And a week or so later she was back in the office. The pain had returned--and maybe worse than before. (I think she might have been in a wheelchair.) But now she was also terribly depressed thinking that she didn't have enough faith, or that God didn't love her, or she had committed some sin that caused her relapse. So this "healing" ministry not only didn't work, it provoked a crisis of faith, which made her feel worse.
If there is a hell, there ought to be an especially scorching place for these charlatans.
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The blind man ... blind since birth ... would have looked around when he was healed; not just at the evangelist.
I too performed a neat little trick in an adult Sunday school class, and a woman threatened to walk out if I didn't show how it was done.
Later, I did the same thing to a group of teenagers, and was followed out into the parking lot by one guy who wanted me to explain it.
It's all smoke and mirrors.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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How can we talk of disabled faith or minds or bodies on a forum open to the world like this, in any way that would be beneficial or helpful to anyone ?
Nothing posted in any thread or post can be trusted as is, and should not be.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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"on a forum open to the world like this,"
Even Jesus could perform no (or few miracles) in some of the cities HE HIMSELF visited because of UNbelief.
Even those who claim to be believers on this (all?) forum(s)?, by a vast number, do not believe in healing. (they have willingly and maybe wittingly placed their trust in man instead of in Yahweh).
So don't expect to see any miracles here nor in any place such as this .
Even Jesus could perform no (or few miracles) in some of the cities HE HIMSELF visited because of UNbelief.
Even those who claim to be believers on this (all?) forum(s)?, by a vast number, do not believe in healing. (they have willingly and maybe wittingly placed their trust in man instead of in Yahweh).
So don't expect to see any miracles here nor in any place such as this .
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Unbelief is to people, like U-232 is to Soup, man.
Try again, try every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year of the next 3 quadrillion centuries
to think of something
that could harm Jesus.
Virtually everything and anything CAN harm people. (and most things DO)
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yeshuaslavejeff
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What do you think it is.
All the people with unbelief verify the lack of life, the lack of miracles, the lack of love, the lack of peace, the lack of joy, the lack of everything good and true. They often brag about all that , strange and odd as it seems.
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