Is God angry if you don't go to church because of a work schedule?

[SwampFox86]

One has to understand Doctrine before one can forsake it.
Theology and tradition are man's conception.

Theology is the study of God, and God ordained Tradition.

"Do this in remembrance of Me". Sounds like something Jesus Said, and since Jesus is God, he has ordained tradition. Also, the Bible tells us to follow tradition.

 

[mesue]

I never said she couldnt go to the church down the street. Not once. I am not saying she is stuck with anything, Do NOT put words in my mouth. Where did I say "you must quit your job and attend your churches sunday service to be a real christian"

I never said it, dont put words in my mouth. If you want to prove me wrong, do it by proving me wrong, not by claiming I said something I didnt and proving it wrong. Logical Fallacy anyone?

She never said anything about wanting to leave the church, why are you trying to get her to leave her church?

I'm not trying to get her to leave her church. Why are you trying to make her stay?
Another church is a viable option. If her heart's desire wasn't to worship the Lord, I don't think she would have bothered to ask. Where is your empathy? Can you not see her struggle? Do you know her personally that you know her financial situation? For all you know she could be a single/divorced parent with 4 children to feed earning minimum wage. How can you tell her

we need to love it enough to give up a little bit of extra money for it.

What if she has no extra money? What if her offering is the widow's mite? And she has to earn that mite by working on a Sunday? You don't think Jesus would honor that?
When you say that if her pastor says to be there by 4AM she should be there; componded with your insistance that we're somehow idol worshipers for woking on Sunday instead of being in church implies that you feel this woman should stay at her current church. Did you say so in those excact words? No, you didn't need to.

 

[arunma]

Its not legalism or Heresy. I said 4 am to prove the point that as a church you have a pastor who is in charge, and what he says goes.

And you didnt actually say I am for the nullifying of the Gospel, but you are getting very close. Corporate Worship should be at a specific time, its not saying that you have to have your personal time with the Lord at 4 AM or when your Pastor says to, but when he says Corporate Worship as a body will be at a certain time, its at that certain time.

You are correct, indeed I did say that legalism nullifies the Gospel, not that you are. Perhaps you do seek to nullify the Gospel, and perhaps not. If so, I think you would be doing so unknowingly, so I am not trying to imply that you have any malicious intent. But you must be careful to avoid the heresy of legalism.

Now as to your point of corporate worship, indeed corporate worship is important, but if we must bend over backwards to be able to make it to church, then how can we have any joy in Christ? It says,

Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. (Galatians 6:2)
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If someone can't make it to church on Sunday morning, and a fellow Christian requires it of her anyway, then that fellow Christian is violating the law of Christ.

 

[mesue]

Theology is the study of God, and God ordained Tradition.

"Do this in remembrance of Me". Sounds like something Jesus Said, and since Jesus is God, he has ordained tradition. Also, the Bible tells us to follow tradition.

Theology, literally is the study of the gods.
Where does grace fall under tradition?

 

[SwampFox86]

I'm not trying to get her to leave her church. Why are you trying to make her stay?
Another church is a viable option. If her heart's desire wasn't to worship the Lord, I don't think she would have bothered to ask. Where is your empathy? Can you not see her struggle? Do you know her personally that you know her financial situation? For all you know she could be a single/divorced parent with 4 children to feed earning minimum wage. How can you tell her

What if she has no extra money? What if her offering is the widow's mite? And she has to earn that mite by working on a Sunday? You don't think Jesus would honor that?
When you say that if her pastor says to be there by 4AM she should be there; componded with your insistance that we're somehow idol worshipers for woking on Sunday instead of being in church implies that you feel this woman should stay at her current church. Did you say so in those excact words? No, you didn't need to.

No, you are wrong, for you to claim I said something I needed to have said it in those exact words. Otherwise you are making up lies about me.

And I never said you or anyone else was an idol worshipper because they worked on Sunday, I said someone is an Idol worshipper for putting work over the meeting of believers.

Dont tell me I imply anything. Either I said it or I didnt.

I'm not telling her to stay at this church or leave the church, just that Church needs to be more important than work.

 

[SwampFox86]

Theology, literally is the study of the gods.
Where does grace fall under tradition?

Again, you assume I am saying thigns I am not. I bet that if you read waht I posted and realized that I say waht I say, and nothing more, you wouldnt be in such disagreement with me.

I never said Grace was a tradition. But I will say this, should we not worry about anything because grace covers all?

 

[arunma]

Two Scriptures to consider regarding tradition:

You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men." And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition! (St. Mark 7:8-9)

Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

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There are God's traditions, and man's traditions. All of God's traditions are good. Some of man's traditions are also good, but others are evil.

 

[mesue]

No, you are wrong, for you to claim I said something I needed to have said it in those exact words. Otherwise you are making up lies about me.

And I never said you or anyone else was an idol worshipper because they worked on Sunday, I said someone is an Idol worshipper for putting work over the meeting of believers.

Dont tell me I imply anything. Either I said it or I didnt.

I'm not telling her to stay at this church or leave the church, just that Church needs to be more important than work.

So, then, are you saying she, or anyone else is putting work before Christ?

 

[SwampFox86]

So, then, are you saying she, or anyone else is putting work before Christ?

If she, or anyone else myself included, puts work over church, than they are putting work before Christ.

 

[mesue]

Again, you assume I am saying thigns I am not. I bet that if you read waht I posted and realized that I say waht I say, and nothing more, you wouldnt be in such disagreement with me.

I never said Grace was a tradition. But I will say this, should we not worry about anything because grace covers all?

I didn't say you said grace was over tradition. I asked you a question; where does grace fall under tradition?
I have read what you posted and am still in disagreement with you.

 

[SwampFox86]

I didn't say you said grace was over tradition. I asked you a question; where does grace fall under tradition?
I have read what you posted and am still in disagreement with you.

Grace isnt part of Tradition.

My major point is that Work is not more important than church. Are you in disagreement with that?

 

[mesue]

If she, or anyone else myself included, puts work over church, than they are putting work before Christ.

You're right. But no one, except you, implied this. I don't think she's putting work over church. I think she's struggling with this. Some of us, myself included, come from very ritualistic backgrounds. Perhaps a legaistic, well meaning, person told her she's out of God's will and in sin for not being in church on Sunday. Like saying someone's sick because they're out of God's will. These staements aren't necessarily true. Some people have to work on Sunday. Some people are sick so that God is glorified. There is no sin involved in either case.

 

[SwampFox86]

You're right. But no one, except you, implied this. I don't think she's putting work over church. I think she's struggling with this. Some of us, myself included, come from very ritualistic backgrounds. Perhaps a legaistic, well meaning, person told her she's out of God's will and in sin for not being in church on Sunday. Like saying someone's sick because they're out of God's will. These staements aren't necessarily true. Some people have to work on Sunday. Some people are sick so that God is glorified. There is no sin involved in either case.

See, when you just look at what I say, and will read it for what it is, Im not some legalistic jerk, I am jsut not going to sugarcoat anything.

Also, perhaps someone did say that to her, but I'm not that someone, and shouldnt be treated as such.

and Noone HAS to work on Sunday. Noone has to work at all. Not trying to start another debate, just pointing out that noone has to work, And I'm not advocating anyone quit their job either.

 

[mesue]

Grace isnt part of Tradition.

My major point is that Work is not more important than church. Are you in disagreement with that?

Yes.
Work is not more important than Jesus.
I worked on Sundays for many years and was at peace about it. Why, because it didn't stop me from fellowshiping with my brethren. It didn't stop me from reading my Bible. It didn't stop me from worshiping my Savior. Where 2 or more are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst. I don't need a building for that. I do need my Jesus and my brethren.

 

[SwampFox86]

Yes.
Work is not more important than Jesus.
I worked on Sundays for many years and was at peace about it. Why, because it didn't stop me from fellowshiping with my brethren. It didn't stop me from reading my Bible. It didn't stop me from worshiping my Savior. Where 2 or more are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst. I don't need a building for that. I do need my Jesus and my brethren.

So you think that Work is on par with Church? Simple yes or no please.

 

[mesue]

See, when you just look at what I say, and will read it for what it is, Im not some legalistic jerk, I am jsut not going to sugarcoat anything.

there's never a need to sugar coat anything but consider this the words you sew will be the ones you get back.

Proverbs 15:1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

Proverbs 25:11 A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.

Leviticus 19:32 Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am

the LORD.

Pro 16:31 The hoary head is a crown of glory, if it be found in the way of righteousness.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

 

[mesue]

So you think that Work is on par with Church? Simple yes or no please.

I didn't say that. I said work was not as important as Jesus.

 

[mesue]

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and Noone HAS to work on Sunday. Noone has to work at all. Not trying to start another debate, just pointing out that noone has to work, And I'm not advocating anyone quit their job either.

And how does one keep a roof over their head and the family fed if they're not working? Where does the money come in to support the church? How do we send missionaries with out money?

 

[SwampFox86]

I didn't say that. I said work was not as important as Jesus.

What about Church. Which is more Important. Church or work?

 

[SwampFox86]

And how does one keep a roof over their head and the family fed if they're not working? Where does the money come in to support the church? How do we send missionaries with out money?

Jesus told the Apostles that God took care of the Birds, and surely he would take care of us.

Again, I'm not advocating people not working, I work 35 hours a week plus 15 hours of school, Im not advocating anyone being a Bum.

I was simply stating that we dont have to work on Sundays.