Is globalization against Christianity?

[wildernesse]

This idea is from the Earth Summit thread in this part of the forum.  I hope this isn't considered inflammatory or in the wrong area of the boards.  I apologize in advance if I have mis-stepped.

Is globalization against Christianity?

First, define globalization.  What does that mean to you?  Is it global free trade?  Is it global authority?  Is it global interaction with other people?  I realize that there won't be a simple answer to this, but if there is some kind of ballpark idea, that would be good.  Are some parts of globalization good, and others bad?

Secondly,  what is the basis for the idea that globalization is against Christianity?  Are there scriptures against it?  What are the interpretations of those Scriptures? 

If globalization is naturally a bad thing, when is something approaching globalization?  Is it trans-atlantic flight/telecommunications?  Satellites and the International Space Station?  Not charging tariffs on steel imports?

If globalization is a bad thing, should we limit mission work and aid to  only our own communities?  Where does local stop and global begin?  Why is mission work excluded from globalization woes?  Is it?  Is church unity globalization?

My thoughts are that globalization is not a bad thing--it helps us to realize that all over the world, God's children are in need of our assistance.  I don't know of any verses against globalization or environmentalism.  What are your thought about this?

--tibac

 

[coastie]

I am adverse to forms of globalization.

Globalization, to me, is the unification of nearly all issues and beliefs.

Religious globalization is along the lines of the Association of Christ which is a denomination/religion which combines all religions that have to do with the fundamental basis of Christ (i.e. Christianity, Catholicism and Mormonism) Mormonism being the one that I have a problem with. The problem is not so much with this organization as it with the combining of all religions which would ultimately compromise New Testament Biblical teachings.

If a "global religion" is attainable, i will have no part of it. Globalization of environmentalism I don't really have aproblem with as long as everyone is treated fairly and the objectives are reasonably attainable.

 

[Blessed-one]

when it comes to global religion, it'll be a sad day...

 

[Susan]

AMEN. Globalism is an evil to be opposed by Christians (however not everything maligned as "globalist" or "globalism promoting" by you-know-who is not that hehe)

 

[wildernesse]

Originally posted by coastie
I am adverse to forms of globalization.


If a "global religion" is attainable, i will have no part of it. .

Do you support missionaries to other countries? Are you against church unity? What if the global religion was your denomination of Christianity?

I don't mean to criticize your viewpoint, as I also have qualms about global religion. I just want to see if our ideas really are consistent.

Why support missionaries to other parts of the globe to convert people if global Christianity isn't sought? What would be wrong with your denomination being the global religion? If your denomination was the global religion, why would that be a bad thing?

--tibac

Edited to add: If you knew that New Testament teachings wouldn't be compromised, would you be against global religion?

 

[wildernesse]

Originally posted by Susan
AMEN. Globalism is an evil to be opposed by Christians (however not everything maligned as "globalist" or "globalism promoting" by you-know-who is not that hehe)

What is globalism to you, Susan?

--tibac

 

[wildernesse]

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[Kiwi]

This year I have had to write tons of essays that incorperate the concept of globalization since I am taking sociology and development papers. Even acedemics don't have one definition of it, it is more of a media term that encompases many different things, depending on what context it is being used it (eg, for economics, for cultural issues etc). There are good points and bad points. Good things can be the ability for people to connect with others from all over the world, like what we do on this site, it can stop dictators who might not otherwises be stopped (like Milosevich in yugoslavia). Bad things are it can be used by equally unscrupulos power brokers or companies to sell or promote their stuff to a wider audience. It also means companies can move to exploit workers in other countries where they don't have to pay them much and don't have unions. Globalization does have some good things for christians, through cross cultural contact we can see that alot of things we think are christian are culture, but we have the basic message in common.

 

[Susan]

Globalism is one-world government by the Antichrist.

 

[wildernesse]

Susan,

Is globalism setting the world up for the Antichrist, or is he already here controlling the globalization (in your belief, of course)?

How do you think that a global agreement to reduce the number of people without sanitation aids the Antichrist? What about global responsibiltiy for the environment (protection of endangered species, reduction of pollution, etc.)? How does free trade aid/hinder the AntiChrist?

Do you think that the above questions are accessories to one-world government, or the meat of the matter? Do you oppose the UN? Why?

I'm really interested in having this discussion, because I feel we already are members of a global society. I believe that we should make sure that this global society is as equitable as possible--which can only be acheived through democratic means.

--tibac

 

[Susan]

Is globalism setting the world up for the Antichrist, or is he already here controlling the globalization (in your belief, of course)?

Could be either, although I lean more toward the first option.

How do you think that a global agreement to reduce the number of people without sanitation aids the Antichrist?

Because it puts the places involved under more control, oversight, and subjection. It lays one more block of the framework for a one-world government (or at least that's what I've heard and been told )

What about global responsibiltiy for the environment (protection of endangered species, reduction of pollution, etc.)? How does free trade aid/hinder the AntiChrist?
Same as above reason. It assists in putting the world under control of something other than God.

Do you think that the above questions are accessories to one-world government, or the meat of the matter?
Some of both. While I actually don't think any of these things you mentioned (unless done unilaterally or in an otherwise drastic manner which the UN thankfully is too broke to accomplish at the time being) will actually be the one-world government, they do make conditions favorable for the rise of such a government. And that is intolerable

Do you oppose the UN? Why?
Yes. I do. I unquestionably oppose the UN. It is a threat to national soverignty, a global bully (see how it has enforced abortion on countries that oppose abortion, and how it has persecuted Israel, until recently denying them even the right to exist), and once well-funded and staffed (unlike the almost-bankrupt, thoroughly corrupt organization it is now), yes, the institution that will become the Antichrist's global government. What's not to oppose?

 

[wildernesse]

Susan,

It assists in putting the world under control of something other than God.

If the leaders of the global government were Christians, would they be doing God's will or not? How could you tell? Why exactly is any global government wrong?

I unquestionably oppose the UN. It is a threat to national soverignty, a global bully (see how it has enforced abortion on countries that oppose abortion, and how it has persecuted Israel, until recently denying them even the right to exist), and once well-funded and staffed (unlike the almost-bankrupt, thoroughly corrupt organization it is now), yes, the institution that will become the Antichrist's global government. What's not to oppose?

Please show me where the UN has done this--not neccessarily because I don't believe you, but because it will make your case stronger if you can show me objective sources for your information. What is your source that the UN will become the Antichrist's global government? If it's the Bible, what chapter and verse? Do you think the UN acts as an independent entity, or on the wishes of its members? Also, the things that you say are wrong with it (threat to national sovreignty, global bully, government of a great evil) are the same arguements used against the US in many countries--what makes it true against the UN and not the US? If either of these accusations are correct, that is.

Thanks for replying, though! Although I don't agree with you, I think that it's important to discuss differences so that people can understand each other better. I am really interested in your thoughts, and I do appreciate you sharing them with me.

--tibac

 

[wildernesse]

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[Susan]

Sorry, I don't have the information right now. However you might want to post these questions in Eschatology where there are a lot more prophecy experts who could help you. I'm just an armchair pretrib, LOL

 

[wildernesse]

Susan:

I am more interested in why YOU believe WHAT you believe and WHY--I am not searching for answers for myself. If you don't have information about what you think about globalization, why do you have such an entrenched position against it?

Why do you think that any global government is wrong? Even a Christian one run by leaders of your denomination?

Does something have to be overtly "Christian" to please Christ? What about secular systems that are run by Christians? If the individuals within an organization are following and glorifying Christ, even though the organization was not expressly made to glorify Christ, do you think that Christ isn't glorified?

I'm sorry if you are bored with this topic--I had assumed that someone with such a strong reaction to globalization would have some reasons for that reaction, and I was interested in learning about your perspective. Please reply and tell me if you are tired of me questioning you, and I will let this non-productive thread drop.

--tibac