Is getting drunk a sin?

[Zebra1552]

Is the Bible the only source for knowledge about God? Can you show me where the Bible says that it is?

Framed question. I didn't say it is: I said that the Bible is the only valid and reliable source for knowing what is and is not sin, as well as various pieces of theology. I don't need a verse to support that either, and even if I did it wouldn't be valid: Circular reasoning.

Actually Protestant Christians do similar to that too. They call on the Holy Spirit to guide them and then whatever conclusion they reach must be true because the HS guided them to it. They become their own sole arbiter of truth from their own beliefs in their own experiences. They each become their own pope.

Which is why the Bible is the only valid authority on matters of sin.

Where's the Bible say it's the only authority? When people chose particular books to compile into the Bible did they do so because each book said "I authorise myself"?

Red herring.

 

[Zebra1552]

Don't confuse biblical doctrine over scripture. We've had hundreds of different bibles, doctrines created by man based on how each bible was translated. I never read anywhere the many councils that created bibles were inspired by God.

Relevance?

So one must study scripture not based on man made doctrine. One must study the history and culture of biblical times. They all drank fermented wine..It was alcohol and they drank a lot of it, that's why we have so many scriptures on being a drunk. In fact, the bible doesn't condemn drinking, everything in moderation. Wine was used to calm the nerves then, to relax and to enjoy dinner then....nothing wrong it you use it that way. If Christ drank alcohol, you should be careful who you condemn.

Excuse me, but where- anywhere- have I stated that drinking is a sin? I believe what I said was that getting drunk is a sin. As is the topic of this thread? Furthermore, I have not condemned any person and if you disagree I daresay you should be sending me a PM and supporting your claim with a quote. I have condemned, using Scripture that is relevant to the topic, getting drunk as a sin. As well should be.

The bible never says because someone sins using something then it's a sin for everyone. The only thing it states is with your actions don't be a stumbling block for someone that is weaker...as in don't take an alcoholic to the local bar.

I fail to see how that relates to getting drunk being a sin or not.

 

[William_0]

Which is why the Bible is the only valid authority on matters of sin.


Red herring.

It's not a red herring. How does it divert attention from the problem at hand? How can you establish that the Bible is the ONLY authority on matters of sin? Why aren't say, the Koran, or Confucian texts, a valid authority? What is your definition of "valid?" You need to answer ALL of these questions before you even attempt to determine whether a specific act is a sin.

 

[Zebra1552]

It's not a red herring. How does it divert attention from the problem at hand?

Because the question was not about whether the Bible is the only authority on sin, the question was whether the Bible is the only authority period, when the topic of this thread is whether getting drunk is a sin or not. Rendering the rest of your questions useless- largely because they're already answered, and also because your questions have nothing to do with what Montal asked.

How can you establish that the Bible is the ONLY authority on matters of sin?

Because we are Christians. I have already spelled this out.

We are therefore not dealing with moral or immoral, ethical or unethical, we are dealing by necessity with theology. Without the Bible to support that theology, it is nothing more than hollow opinion. It is not us who establish what is and is not sin, it is God, through the authors of the Bible. Anything not in the Bible is a matter of principle- does the Bible support the principle of the act or thought- and a matter of if one can personally handle it.

Why aren't say, the Koran, or Confucian texts, a valid authority?

See that 'Christians only' thing that pops up at the top of the page? That's why.

What is your definition of "valid?"

I am not going to define for you a word common to the English language with an established meaning just because you want to try and trip me up.

You need to answer ALL of these questions before you even attempt to determine whether a specific act is a sin.

No, actually, I don't. You are overlooking context. We are in a Christians only section of the board, in the Christian philosophy and ethics forum. By necessity we are dealing with what is sin from a Christian point of view. I've already established why the Bible is vital in matters of sin. And I really shouldn't have to.

 

[cubinity]

...You are overlooking context. We are in a Christians only section of the board, in the Christian philosophy and ethics forum. By necessity we are dealing with what is sin from a Christian point of view. I've already established why the Bible is vital in matters of sin. And I really shouldn't have to.

I realize you don't care about being popular, but what happens when you are in a room like this one, surrounded by Christians, and then imply that we all have to share your opinion just because we identify ourselves with Christianity?

Does it have any impact on your worldview at all that this room full of Christians doesn't agree with you? Is it really so simple to assume that it must be all of us that have this wrong, and that you are somehow the only one here who sees this correctly?

I'm not assuming we're right and you're wrong as I am writing this. I'm just curious if your fellowship with disagreeing Christians has any impact at all on your worldview? I ask because it has had a profound impact on mine.

 

[Zebra1552]

I realize you don't care about being popular, but what happens when you are in a room like this one, surrounded by Christians, and then imply that we all have to share your opinion just because we identify ourselves with Christianity?

I'm sorry, you seem to have misread what I said. Where did I say that you must share my views to be Christian? I said that we are in a Christians only section of the board, so we're dealing with a Christian POV. Which means going by the Bible to determine what it says on the matter, because without the Bible there isn't even any Christianity.

Does it have any impact on your worldview at all that this room full of Christians doesn't agree with you?

Nope. Popularity doesn't make any difference in a discussion.

Is it really so simple to assume that it must be all of us that have this wrong, and that you are somehow the only one here who sees this correctly?

If that were all there was to it, we would not be 64 posts in on this discussion. It's quite simple to assume that matters of sin are determined by the Bible, and I've demonstrated quite clearly that the Bible is against it. If you or anyone else wishes to challenge the passages I've cited and the interpretation of those passages, you are perfectly capable of doing so. But this conversation isn't about who's right or wrong, it's about whether getting drunk is a sin and why from a Christian viewpoint.

I'm not assuming we're right and you're wrong as I am writing this. I'm just curious if your fellowship with disagreeing Christians has any impact at all on your worldview? I ask because it has had a profound impact on mine.

I consider any reasonable disagreements with my viewpoints. I don't see what friendship or lack thereof has to do with any discussion. Two people are perfectly capable of having a reasonable and courteous discussion whether or not they knew each other prior to said discussion.

 

[YoungMarriedLove]

Many people do not have control of what they do or say when they are drunk and that is the problem.

 

[cubinity]

Many people do not have control of what they do or say when they are drunk and that is the problem.

It is important that we honor God by keeping ourselves out of conditions where we may do something dishonoring to Him.

 

[AshleyLiz]

I'm 21 years old and never did drink until I turned 21. I go to a state school where there are parties around every corner. I think that when we get drunk, we lose control of our bodies and minds to such a great extent that it's dangerous. When we are drunk, we can act in ways and do things that we would never even think of doing. This is why it's strongly looked down upon.

In fact, my older brother is a prime example. He got into so much trouble with the law regarding alcohol, that it ruined his life. So I've really had no desire to drink. And last week, I had to kick my roomate and her friends *all who are underage* out of the apartment cause they were drinking and getting way out of hand. We can't be at our best for God when we can't control or even think about our actions.

 

[brinny]

yes, gettin' drunk is a sin, but it is forgiveable.