Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

Albion · Apr 21, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Are you not aware that the Order of the Eastern Star is for the wives of Masons? It is the female counter-part, though men can also join.

Of course, but these women are not themselves Masons nor are they female versions of Masons. It is a support organization.

If the upside-down star were the Masonic emblem or symbol with all the sinister importance that it is supposed to convey, one would think (wouldn't we?) that it would be in use by Masons or among them--the Masons--every bit as much as the flag is used by veterans organizations and the cross by churches. But it isn't.

1stcenturylady · Apr 21, 2018

Albion said:
Of course, but these women are not themselves Masons nor are they female versions of Masons. If the upside down star were the Masonic emblem or symbol with all the sinister importance that it is supposed to conveys, one would think (wouldn't we?) that it would be in use among THEM--the Masons? It isn't.

It was a Masonic Lodge, not Eastern Star that we went to. And Joseph Smith was said to be a Mason. I've never heard of him being attached to the Eastern Star. But I wouldn't belong to either one.

Albion · Apr 21, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
It was a Masonic Lodge, not Eastern Star that we went to.

Yes, the Eastern Star uses the same building as the Masonic Lodges and other groups. Consequently, it is usual for all of them to have their own emblems on the premises somewhere or other. That doesn't mean that this emblem is the emblem of all of them just because it is there.

And Joseph Smith was said to be a Mason. I've never heard of him being attached to the Eastern Star.

He may have briefly been a Mason, but not a member of the Order of the Eastern Star. It is generally agreed that he borrowed from (without permission) various of the Masonic ways and looks, the apron, etc. when he was inventing his new religion. Many other outfits have done the same, such as the Odd Fellows, the Knights of Columbus, and even a few Christian churches. That has been done strictly without the approval of the Masonic organizations.

1stcenturylady · Apr 21, 2018

Albion said:
Yes, the Eastern Star uses the same building as the Masonic Lodges and other groups. Consequently, it is usual for all of them to have their own emblems on the premises somewhere or other. That doesn't mean that this emblem is the emblem of all of them just because it is there.

He may have briefly been a Mason, but of course he could not have been a member of the Order of the Eastern Star. It is generally agreed that he borrowed from (without permission) various of the Masonic ways and looks, the apron, etc. when he was inventing his new religion. Many other outfits have done the same, such as the Odd Fellows, the Knights of Columbus, and even a few Christian churches. That has been done strictly without the approval of the Masonic organizations.

I'm no expert. I just know what a pentagram looks like and its main symbolism.

What Christian denominations use aspects of Masonry and what exactly?

Albion · Apr 21, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
What Christian denominations use aspects of Masonry and what exactly?

That's quite a story that would take some doing to explain completely. Look up the history of the Church of the Living God if you are interested in exploring the subject further.

1stcenturylady · Apr 21, 2018

Albion said:
That's quite a story that would take some doing to explain completely. Look up the history of the Church of the Living God if you are interested in exploring the subject further.

Is that a denomination?

Albion · Apr 21, 2018

JM · Apr 23, 2018

Albion,

Would you say "masons are everywhere" and we just don't know it?

Would you say Freemasons are afraid to tell others because of the stigma?

Yours in the Lord,

jm

Albion · Apr 23, 2018

I may be missing your point there, but I cannot really say that I know any Masons who are afraid to mention their membership or who consider themselves to be stigmatized because of the silly conspiracy theories that excite some people, no.

JM · Apr 23, 2018

Albion said:
I may be missing your point there, but I cannot really say that I know any Masons who are afraid to mention their membership or who consider themselves to be stigmatized because of the silly conspiracy theories that excite some people, no.

Freemasons place advert in national newspapers to protest 'discrimination'

Freemasons take out full-page adverts to say they are being discriminated | Metro News

Albion · Apr 23, 2018

JM said:
Freemasons place advert in national newspapers to protest 'discrimination'

Freemasons take out full-page adverts to say they are being discriminated | Metro News

Oh, you are talking about England. I have no direct knowledge of how British Masons might be thinking about this.

JM · Apr 23, 2018

Albion said:
Oh, you are talking about England. I have no direct knowledge of how British Masons might be thinking about this.

I think these issues exist more so outside of the U.S.

Innerfire89 · Apr 23, 2018

One rule of the free masons is you can't preach Christ as the only way to heaven that's enough to condemn them.

In the least free masons are humanist using the moral teachings of various religions, but I don't doubt there's a much bigger picture than that.
Every free madion I've talked to said basically the same things, that they're Gnostic and practice magic. They seem like thier crazy and don't make much sense at first, like they're overloaded with information that just spills out in an erratic mess. But those few that were as forthcoming as they were I think were telling some truth about free masonry, I think they are in fact a little crazy because some things they might have seen or have been through, like satanic ritual abuse.

Albion · Apr 23, 2018

Innerfire89 said:
One rule of the free masons is you can't preach Christ as the only way to heaven that's enough to condemn them.

That's right. Sort of. You cannot deliver a sermon in the basic lodge like a Christian minister would do in church. Most American Masons are Christian, however, and there is no secret about that. In addition, there are branches of Masonry which are Christian and one that is open only to Christians.

Innerfire89 · Apr 24, 2018

Albion said:
That's right. Sort of. You cannot deliver a sermon in the basic lodge like a Christian minister would do in church. Most American Masons are Christian, however, and there is no secret about that. In addition, there are branches of Masonry which are Christian and one that is open only to Christians.

I of course don't mean standing in front of the lodge and preaching like in front of a congregation. But if you can't share the truth about Christ than why join.
A Christian only lodge doesn't make much sense either, they should be openly helping the community and spreading the Gospel within the church, which goes by biblical guidelines, instead of the rules of secret club.

Albion · Apr 24, 2018

Innerfire89 said:
I of course don't mean standing in front of the lodge and preaching like in front of a congregation. But if you can't share the truth about Christ than why join.

Because it isn't a substitute for ones church! The same as joining the yacht club, boy scouts, bowling league, or Chamber of Commerce.

I'll bet that you have activities you engage in with other people in which giving orations about the Bible or your love of Christ are not the purpose for getting together.

A Christian only lodge doesn't make much sense either, they should be openly helping the community and spreading the Gospel within the church, which goes by biblical guidelines, instead of the rules of secret club.

Well, that is a personal opinion, but it is not a reason to accuse Masons of being Satanic, etc.

To me, doing that is to bear false witness, which one of the Ten Commandments speaks about.

Innerfire89 · Apr 24, 2018

Albion said:
Because it isn't a substitute for ones church! The same as joining the yacht club, boy scouts, bowling league, or Chamber of Commerce.

I'll bet that you have activities you engage in with other people in which giving orations about the Bible or your love of Christ are not the purpose for getting together.

Well, that is a personal opinion, but it is not a reason to accuse Masons of being Satanic, etc.

To me, doing that is to bear false witness, which one of the Ten Commandments speaks about.

None of those are substitutes for church.
I honestly don't, I would never join any group that denies the exclusivity of Christ as the one and only Lord and Saviour.

Bearing false witness is intentionally lying against someone. There's good reason to accuse them of being satanic.

Like thier mock burrial and resurrection of Christ, the Hiram Abiff thing.
One requirement for joining is a belief in a god, weither it be the god of Islam, Buddhism, or even Lucifer, they equate them all to be valid. That's according to numerous pamphlets from them.
If they use Scripture, they remove the name of Christ.
And do they not believe salvation comes through understanding symbols and good works?

If I'm wrong on this things than go ahead and correct me, but I doubt that so many ex free masons would tell the same lies over and over. And I can see no good reason why a Christian would be involved them, either they don't understand what the masons are, or they're not Christian at all and trying to infiltrate the church.

Albion · Apr 24, 2018

Innerfire89 said:
None of those are substitutes for church.

Neither is Masonry a substitute for church, so that's all there is to this.

I honestly don't, I would never join any group that denies the exclusivity of Christ as the one and only Lord and Saviour.

Masonry absolutely does not do that.

Bearing false witness is intentionally lying against someone.

That was my point exactly.

There's good reason to accuse them of being satanic.

Are you under the impression that Satan is worshipped or acclaimed...or just that any variety of Christianity not your own must, by definition, be the work of Satan? If it is the latter, most Christian churches are Satanic, right?

Like thier mock burrial and resurrection of Christ, the Hiram Abiff thing.

Whoa! THERE IS NO MOCK BURIAL OF CHRIST!

One requirement for joining is a belief in a god, weither it be the god of Islam, Buddhism, or even Lucifer, they equate them all to be valid. That's according to numerous pamphlets from them.

No there is no such position taken. You have misunderstood. The position is--because Masonry is not a religion--that the faith of one member and that of the next member faith is their own business.

There is no teaching or position taken that all faiths are equally true or good or equally valid. That was originally a position trumped-up by the Vatican in order to undercut Masonry because it supported constitutional government, free elections, and national independence. Once upon a time, the Pope used to be able to make and break kings and governments, you know.

And do they not believe salvation comes through understanding symbols and good works?

No.

If I'm wrong on this things than go ahead and correct me

That's what I'm doing.

Seriously, I much appreciate it when it is possible to give and take, hearing what the other person has picked up from somewhere or other, and him being willing to consider what is explained in reply.

Innerfire89 · Apr 24, 2018

Albion said:
Neither is Masonry, so there is nothing more to this line of thought.

Masonry absolutely does not do that.

That was my point exactly.

Are you under the impression that Satan is worshipped or acclaimed...or just that any variety of Christianity not your own must, by definition, be the work of Satan? If it is the latter, most Christian churches are Satanic, right?

Whoa! THERE IS NO MOCK BURIAL OF CHRIST!

No there is no such position taken. You have misunderstood. The position is--because Masonry is not a religion--that the faith of one member and that of the next member faith is their own business.

There is no teaching or position taken that all faiths are equally true or good or equally valid. That was originally a position trumped-up by the Vatican in order to undercut Masonry because it supported democracy, free elections, and national independence. The Pope used to be able to make and break kings and governments, you know.

No.

That's what I'm doing.

Seriously, I much appreciate it when it is possible to give and take, hearing what the other person has picked up from somewhere or other, and him being willing to consider what is explained in reply.

Just a minute ago you called free masonry, the boy scouts, the yacht club, and the chamber of commerce substitute for church.

Free masonry isn't a variety of Christianity.

Not once have I told an intentional lie against anyone, you lied on me just now though.

Either they accept Christ exclusively or the dont, and they don't. They barrow bits and pieces of various religions.

What is the death and resurrection ritual of Hiram Abiff?

Simply saying "no they don't" isn't much of an argument.

Albion · Apr 24, 2018

Innerfire89 said:
Just a minute ago you called free masonry, the boy scouts, the yacht club, and the chamber of commerce substitute for church.

This is a good example of how people get things turned around. What I said was:

Because it isn't a substitute for ones church! The same as joining the yacht club, boy scouts, bowling league, or Chamber of Commerce.

I was saying that--LIKE those other organizations--it is NOT a substitute for church.

Free masonry isn't a variety of Christianity.

Quite right!

Either they accept Christ exclusively or they dont, and they don't.

The great majority of Masons in this country do. So you are wrong about that.

There are at least three ministers on Christian Forums who are Masons and are very forthcoming about it. However, an occasional Jewish Mason, or a Muslim, has his own religion. None of these is imposing anything on the others or speaking for them.

What is the death and resurrection ritual of Hiram Abiff?

It is a drama that concerns a mythical stonemason who supposedly was involved with the building of King Solomons temple. He came long before the time of Christ.

Simply saying "no they don't" isn't much of an argument.

I think I amended that reply in order to elaborate on it somewhat more, but if you have a follow-up question, do ask it.

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