Is forced vaccination related to the mark of the beast?

TribulationSigns said:

LOL. Didn't God told us to have the WISDOM to know the number of the beast and you people are going against each other with physical interpretation of the mark. Sad.

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Yes

Steve_K said:

Because it's eventually going to be tied to personal identification and buying and selling. This is not some obscure conspiracy theory, it's out in plain sight and they openly admit it. Please watch the documentaries and discussions so you can make an informed opinion.

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Why not read the bible instead of all this drivel for the information?? This is what the WORD OF GOD has to say:

Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Rev_15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Rev_16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

An angel will be the one to inflict those with the mark of the beast with a horrible disease! How in the world is getting a vaccination, that prevents disease, supposed to be what has that angel afflict those that WORSHIP the beast, with a disease? It makes no sense whatsoever!! This is all about WORSHIP!
Not one single word in any of this about health!! What has Satan wanted from the start of His rebellion?

Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Salvation is not about vaccinations!! It is about we choose to either worship God or Satan. That has always been the battle---

Luk_11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

Do a word study for yourself---there are over 1200 verses that use the word hand, 13 for forehead. They are used as symbols for thoughts and actions. Obviously, forehead represents the brain---0the tho0pughts, and hands are the actions we do. Everyone will have a mark---the saved have a seal from God---only on the forehead---

2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Rev_9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

The beast has his mark on the forehead and the hand. It means that with their minds, their hearts---0they follow someone---either God or the beast. The hand is with their actions---followers of God can only do the acts of God, those that follow the beast do so either because with their mind and hearts they believe in the beast, or are those that do not believe in the beast, but nevertheless, do all that the beast wants. They will worship the beast, even though they might not believe. In other words., God wants only those that have Him on their minds and heart---those that think they can get away with pretending to worship the beast, are not going to be included with God's people, for their actions say the follow Satan.

When vaccinations were started for Polio---not one person ran around screaming it was the mark of the beast! Neither for measles or anything else. It was not until the antivaxxers started about they cause autism that anything was said about them. The vaccines had virtually wiped out all those diseases throughout the world, they are coming back with a vengeance now because of the anti-vaxxers. Now it's changed to being the mark of the beast! Why why it not the mark of the beast for all those other vaccines? The anti-vaxxers will not believe until their own children and loved ones die, or as they lay dyeing. Same for this virus. The mark is not an actual, physical mark, it is an act of worship, by belief or action, to a false god. The next step is to find out what the seal of God is in relation to worship, and what the seal of the false god is, in relation to worship.

Steve_K said:

They'll use the soft approach at first using carrots, but eventually they'll turn to sticks. If you can't get a job, go to school, travel on public transportation, or eventually buy or sell, that's a form of extreme coercion and nobody can survive or lead any semblance of a normal life with those types of restrictions.

Mandatory flu vaccine for all Massachusetts students...
Massachusetts requires flu shot for students, pre-school to college

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I think it's a big jump from having to be vaccinated in order to go to school to having to be vaccinated to buy and sell things.

Emsmom1 said:

I think it's a big jump from having to be vaccinated in order to go to school to having to be vaccinated to buy and sell things.

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I think it is really ridiculous!

Steve_K said:

Because it's eventually going to be tied to personal identification and buying and selling. This is not some obscure conspiracy theory, it's out in plain sight and they openly admit it. Please watch the documentaries and discussions so you can make an informed opinion.

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I've seen some. I think they are crazy theories.

When very little, we stood in line at a school administration building and ate a sugar cube with polio vaccine.
Usually out of a class of 30 there was one kid in a wheelchair from polio.
FDR, President longer than anyone has ever been, was in a wheelchair from polio.

I guess at our own doctor's offices we got smallpox vaccinations - everybody showed off the scars on our arms. No one thought of it as "forcing" - but even back then, some Christian Scientists or other cults barked about having to take vaccinations, and some refused.

I feel Revelation is a spiritual, figurative book PRIMARILY, and can't buy into interpretations that would be meaningless to the first century audience it was written to. Like, how would someone in 1st century Philadelphia or Pergamum church know what a microchip was. It would be meaningless to them.
Pets have had identifying chips for years; there is benefits to that.

"We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye - AT THE LAST TRUMPET."

Not 7 years before the last trumpet -at the last trumpet - so no pre-trib.

2 Peter 3:3-4: knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

Timtofly said:

Letting the government raise your children may be spiritually handing your children over to Satan. So you refuse the government their wishes and save your child's soul. Double blessing. No; beheading is the only salvation. Being vaccinated does not save your soul from eternal death.

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and a vaccination isn't condemning your soul to eternal death either. You're not worshiping anything by getting vaccinated, you get a shot and then basically ignore that it ever happened. The mark of the beast is WORSHIP of the image of the beast. The reason it's condemning is not because of a mark itself but what that mark represents, WORSHIP of someone claiming to be God who is not Jesus.

I have a hard time imagining a vacine would be the mark of the beast. If so why wouldn't that be saying everyone who has ever got a flu vaccine all through the years took the mark of the beast as well.

Now whether everyone should just jump in and be the first to volunteer in taking some vaccine is another question. And so is does the government have the right to make you take one. Yes government makes you do other things like wearing save belts.....not the same as injecting something which even they admit might cause an adverse effect upon a small number of people. What if you're a part of that small number of people? What do you say to them?

BABerean2 said:

Can governments force you to be vaccinated?

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1905: Jacobson v Massachusetts.

Cambridge, Massuachusetts' city board of health issued an order that required adults to be vaccinated against small pox or pay a fine.

"As the 20th century began, epidemics of infectious diseases such as smallpox remained a recurrent threat. A Massachusetts statute granted city boards of health the authority to require vaccination “when necessary for public health or safety.”17 In 1902, when smallpox surged in Cambridge, the city’s board of health issued an order pursuant to this authority that required all adults to be vaccinated to halt the disease. The statutory penalty for refusing vaccination was a monetary fine of $5 (about $100 today). There was no provision for actually forcing vaccination on any person."

Henning Jacobson refused the vaccine and was thus ordered to pay the fine. He then appealed to The Massachusetts supreme judicial court. The court found that Jacobson could not be forced to be vaccinated and the worst penalty that could be done was the fine. Jacobson then appealed to the US supreme court.

"Henning Jacobson refused vaccination, claiming that he and his son had had bad reactions to earlier vaccinations. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court found it unnecessary to worry about any possible harm from vaccination, because no one could actually be forced to be vaccinated: “If a person should deem it important that vaccination should not be performed in his case, and the authorities should think otherwise, it is not in their power to vaccinate him by force, and the worst that could happen to him under the statute would be the payment of $5.”18 Jacobson was fined, and he appealed to the US Supreme Court."

The US Supreme Court ruled against Jacobson and confirmed that Yes, that city and state boards of health can enforce required vaccination only when it deems it necessary for public health and safety so long as it is not done in an unreasonable, arbitrary, or oppressive manner.

"Thus, the more specific questions were whether the safety of the public justified this particular restriction and whether it was enforceable by reasonable regulations. The Court answered yes to both questions. It noted that the vaccination law applied “only when, in the opinion of the Board of Health, that was necessary for the public health or the public safety.”2(p27) The board of health was qualified to make that judgment, and, consistent with its own precedents, the Court said that it was the legislature’s prerogative to determine how to control the epidemic, as long as it did not act in an unreasonable, arbitrary or oppressive manner.2,39,40 Vaccination was a reasonable means of control: “The state legislature proceeded upon the theory which recognized vaccination as at least an effective if not the best known way in which to meet and suppress the evils of a smallpox epidemic that imperiled an entire population."

So currently, while city and state boards of health can make a mandatory order for vaccination in the event of a public health crisis in order to protect public health and safety, it cannot be enforced by the state police powers in an unreasonable, arbitrary, or oppressive manner. Therefore, no, currently, the government doesn't have the ability to "force" vaccinations upon its citizens. What can be enforced is a penalty, which again, cannot be unreasonable, arbitrary, or oppressive, for refusal to vaccinate in times where the boards of health orders a mandated vaccine.

Source: Jacobson v Massachusetts: It’s Not Your Great-Great-Grandfather’s Public Health Law.

BABerean2 said:

Can they also force you to take a digital tattoo to prove you have been vaccinated?

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I would say no. Why would you need a "digital tattoo". Medical records are all electronic these days, and records such as vaccinations are already documented in these electronic medical records.

Can the government force you to wear clothes, so that you cannot go out in public and buy or sell in your birthday suit? Yes. Does that mean clothes are the mark of the beast? No.

I think we need to be careful in putting our personal interpretation into a highly symbolic book, that doesn't provide a specific interpretation as to what the "mark of the beast actually is".

BABerean2 said:

However, the unique number that will be associated with the COVID-19 vaccine could also be used for a "Cashless" banking system of a global government.

The globalists are using COVID-19 to bring about their agenda.

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What sources are you using to support this theory?

Jamdoc said:

and a vaccination isn't condemning your soul to eternal death either. You're not worshiping anything by getting vaccinated, you get a shot and then basically ignore that it ever happened. The mark of the beast is WORSHIP of the image of the beast. The reason it's condemning is not because of a mark itself but what that mark represents, WORSHIP of someone claiming to be God who is not Jesus.

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Why put your faith and trust in the vaccine? Is that not a form of worship?

BABerean2 said:

I do not believe a vaccine is the mark of the Beast.
However, the unique number that will be associated with the COVID-19 vaccine could also be used for a "Cashless" banking system of a global government.

The globalists are using COVID-19 to bring about their agenda.

During 2019 many financial advisors were saying 2020 would be the year of the global economic "reset".

Any nation that prints money out of thin air, and tells healthy people to stay at home, is already a socialist nation.

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That is a crazy assumption! "Cashless" banking system is NOT the Mark of the Beast God is talking about. If it is cashless, then what will you count the number of the beast with anyway. The number 666 has nothing to do with cashless or anything like that. God said to count THAT number itself, and how will you do it? God did not tell you to read the news, sort through YouTube, and throw in some suggestions, BAB! God's interpretation is already there in the Bible and you need to search it out. Not Globalists' news. Get it?

BABerean2 said:

Can governments force you to be vaccinated?

Can they also force you to take a digital tattoo to prove you have been vaccinated?

The following is a debate between Robert Kennedy Jr., who is the son of JFKs brother, and attorney Alan Dershowitz, who recently defended the president against impeachment.

Deshowitz has said the government has a right to hold you down, and plunge a needle into your arm. He is one of the president's lawyers.



Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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I highly recommend that you stay away from those kind of videos. Dwell on what Christ Tells us to dwell on is best.

Timtofly said:

Why put your faith and trust in the vaccine? Is that not a form of worship?

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Why put your faith and trust in your seatbelt? Why put your faith and trust in your flotation device? Why put your faith and trust in your leash? Why put your faith and trust in your parachute?

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The globalists are using COVID-19 to bring about their agenda.

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Now, haven't nations brought war, devastation and famine? All this "sovereignty" thing is nothing but an excuse for nations to do as they please as long as they have the military force?

More world government nonsense that is NOT God's interpretation. The so-called "New Word Order" has nothing to do with the "beast" and his mark of Revelation. It is just man-made speculation based on what one read in the news, instead of the Bible! You knew better than that, BAB.

Again, I ask you, how do you "count" that number, 666, Revelation 13:18. Show us your "wisdom" of doing this. Remember the answer is not out there in the world news or YouTube videos. You need to find it within Scripture. This calls for wisdom of Christ!

Timtofly said:

Why put your faith and trust in the vaccine? Is that not a form of worship?

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It isn't putting faith and trust in a vaccine it's knowledge that these things work and that God created our immune system the way it did that allows for an innoculation to be protective.