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I provided some clarification in the op. I suggest you read it so we are on the same page. My apologies if I wasn't clear.So this really didn't have anything to do with the fact that humans give meaning to their lives, which means that a god, or God or GOD isn't necessary.
Now, as far as your analogy goes, "one must imagine Sisyphus happy"...
Sounds pretty meaningless to me..Edit: apparently there is some confusion on what the word "meaningless" means. The Hebrew word used for meaningless is הָ֫בֶל "hebel" which means futility, pointlessness, or fruitlessness.
Uhm... Is there really a difference between purpose and end result?It has nothing to do with the purpose of something but rather what the end result of something.
He has the memory and he has learned from the experience.An example would be a man trying to build a house next to the ocean and every day for the rest of his life the tide came in and swept his work away. The purpose of his work is to build a house. However, what does he have to show for all his labor in the end?
But if when you die, all the memories of that beautiful house with the splendid views fade into non-existance along with your consciousness, it would be no different than as if it never existed at all.A better analogy would have been a man building a house on a cliff face. Eventually, the cliff will crumble to erosion and the house will be gone, but before that, there will be decades, if not centuries of time for people to live in that house and enjoy the spectacular view.
Otherwise, why build houses at all? They all eventually go decrepit.
Postulating a being that waits at the end of time and rewards every house builder because he just likes the concept doesn't help.
In your example, he had a house as he build it. All his life.Edit: apparently there is some confusion on what the word "meaningless" means. The Hebrew word used for meaningless is הָ֫בֶל "hebel" which means futility, pointlessness, or fruitlessness. It has nothing to do with the purpose of something but rather what the end result of something.
An example would be a man trying to build a house next to the ocean and every day for the rest of his life the tide came in and swept his work away. The purpose of his work is to build a house. However, what does he have to show for all his labor in the end?
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I provided an edit to the op to give more clarification.I'd like you to read and consider the post I made above:
You keep searching for something where it doesn't exist. Meaning and purpose always implies an active and intentful mind. Without it, it simply doesn't exist. With it, it does exist.
Inseperable.
So why is "meaning" and "purpose" so important to you that you must have it, even if there is no you to have it?
I provided an edit to the op to give you some clarification.I said in your own words and in the context of this discussion. I'm not asking Webster. He's not here right now.
eudaimonia,
Mark
I'd like to change that a little bit:
"It is my nature as a living being that makes my life meaningful to me, because of how I feel."
Sorry, this is a kind of behaviour in a debate like this that I absolutely cannot stand.I provided an edit to the op to give more clarification.
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What is so great (or necessary) about being remembered by others?
eudaimonia,
Mark
According to atheism, all life was a byproduct by nature by natural means. Thus has no created purpose. It just exists and has the same level of purpose as a rock you find on the beach. So, what is the purpose of life? I am not asking about your life. But life in general.The purpose of life is found within life, not after life. Life is an end-in-itself.
This is the horrible nihilism of Christianity. It tries to make this life a mere means to the end of an afterlife, thus draining this life of meaning when taken from the Christian context.
It's like this life becomes an unpleasant examination one must pass in order to graduate to the right afterlife. Life -- this life -- is devalued into a pure means.
All for the lives we do, in fact, lead.
eudaimonia,
Mark
An example would be a man trying to build a house next to the ocean and every day for the rest of his life the tide came in and swept his work away. The purpose of his work is to build a house. However, what does he have to show for all his labor in the end?
Purpose requires intent. Intent requires an intentful being. And vice versa... as soon as you have an intentful being, you get purpose.According to atheism, all life was a byproduct by nature by natural means. Thus has no created purpose. It just exists and has the same level of purpose as a rock you find on the beach. So, what is the purpose of life? I am not asking about your life. But life in general.
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No one disputes that life will be meaningless "in the end" after life no longer exists.
eudaimonia,
Mark
According to atheism, all life was a byproduct by nature by natural means. Thus has no created purpose. It just exists and has the same level of purpose as a rock you find on the beach.
So, what is the purpose of life? I am not asking about your life. But life in general.
Read the thread. There are several people who are arguing that very thing.
What people are arguing against is the notion that life "going to be" meaningless when there is no life means that life "is" meaningless as long as there is life.Read the thread. There are several people who are arguing that very thing.
Because for atheism, that is the only way you can "live on" after death.
Once your family and friends dies and there is nobody left to remember you, the world would be no different than had you never existed at all.
Your whole life is no different than the life of a bacterium.
Why do you need your life to be meaningful?It isn't futile "in the end". There is no ultimate goal "at the end". It is meaninful "until the end".
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