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Nope, because they're theists they're not nihilists, obviously.
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Nope, because they're theists they're not nihilists, obviously.Christians are often that with their view that human life has no meaning in its own right.
i said:Nihilists in denial
I'm not a nihilist
Nope, because they're theists they're not nihilists, obviously.
Unless, of course, you want to accept that Christians may simply be atheists in denial.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Nope.They are nihilists with respect to human beings.
You still have not read the op definition of the word "meaningless". I explained the context derived from the hebrew. If something is meaningless, it does not mean "without meaning".
It means vanity, futile, pointless, "chasing the wind", ect. The reason why you continue to cling onto your definition of "meaningless " rather than that of the OP is because you know you don't have an arguement.
Even you said yourself that " in the end life is meaningless". And that is the point. Anything you do apart from God will amount to nothing in the end.
Many theists are one short step away from nihilism.Nope, because they're theists they're not nihilists, obviously.
Ok, I see where you are coming from . I agree in part but not entirely. Here is why. I believe that Greek is in some ways superior to English or Latin because it has many more words in its vocabulary. Many words that were used in the NT Greek did not have an English equivalent. "Love" is an example. There are three types of love used in the NT Greek.
Eros is a Greek term which actually means desire and longing. And according to the Greek methodology, Eros is the name of the Greek god of love. Also referred to as erotic love, this is a selfish kind of love as it associated with sexual love. Eros love is based on the strong feeling we have against one another and it usually develops during the 1st stage of a romantic relationship. This kind of love is based on the physical traits. And unless it is redeemed by the Lord’s presence; this type of love can end up being possessive, since it always seeks to 1st conquer and then control.
God created physical attraction between a man & a woman, but He never intended for it to be selfish. He created desire and longing which makes up sexual love which is crucial in any marriage. This love was meant to be preserved between a couple and it is essential for any health marriage. And since it is mostly based on self-benefit, many people tend to fall out of love if they are not happy with the marriage.
Philos love is a unique kind of love like the one you have for a companion or pal. It refers to loving one another just like your brother or sister. This love is for a pal who is really close and dear to us and it is characterized by various different shared experiences between two people. In fact this is the kind of love that many Christians tend to practice towards one another. And although philos love is really wonderful, it is not that much reliable, since it can end up souring at times as we have all experienced at some point in our lives.
Agape love is a special term which represents the divine-love of the Lord towards his Son Jesus Christ, the human beings and all believers. This is the best of the three types of love in the bible, in fact Jesus himself showed this type of divine love to his Dad in heaven and humanity. Agape love is the love that God commanded all believers to have for everyone whether he/she is a believer or not. Agape love should never be determined by our feelings; it is more of a set of behaviors or actions. With agape, you do not have to actually feel it for you to give it, which means that you can be able to show love without feeling anything at all. At times feelings can follow after showing this kind of love.
“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails” (1 Corinthians 13:4-8a). What do you notice about everything that Paul uses to explain what love (agape) is and is not? They are all actions that we can choose or choose not to do. More specifically, anytime you put another's needs ahead of your own, you are demonstrating (Agape) love for that person. "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's love for one's friends." (John 15:13) Once again, this "greatest love" is an action... not a feeling.
Before I move on further, can we come to an understanding about what type of love we are talking about? I have to make sure we are both on the same page before I continue.
Nope.
That is your assertion that there's no reality at all in it which is why you can't prove it.2/3 of the worlds population disagree with your faith beliefs.
That is reality.
I have already accepted that fact. How long will it take you to accept that fact?What about the inability for an atheist to accept the fact that the best they can hope for is to live their life the best they can before they die and fade off into non-existence?
Then why does it seem you want some reactionary-type response from the unbelievers in this thread?If I was an atheist, I wouldn't see any problem with that.
I'm doing okay, thanks.Just to know that this little time I have in life is all I have so I better make it count.
It seems you are only giving me two options here: make do with what I have, or delude myself into thinking otherwise.I am not trying to get any unbelievers to accept anything other than the facts I just stated above. I am not a nihilistic, but I wonder why atheists are not.
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OK, so now that we have an understanding on what type of love we are talking about we can move on to (1 James 4:7-21)Ok, so what's your point then?
I have already accepted that fact. How long will it take you to accept that fact?
Then why does it seem you want some reactionary-type response from the unbelievers in this thread?
See, it's not so bad. People can live a perfectly content life and still accept the fact that without God the best anyone can hope for is to make the best out of whatever little time they have in existance.I'm doing okay, thanks.
It seems you are only giving me two options here: make do with what I have, or delude myself into thinking otherwise.
And did you not concede earlier that beliefs are not a conscious choice?
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Yet you just conceded that one cannot consciously choose what one believes. You contradict yourself.Please understand that God does not cause anybody to go to hell. Rather, man chooses to go there on his own.
I don't see any reason to trust what is written in the bible. I just watch as you contradict yourself.You can see the progression of those who reject Christ in the first 3 chapters of the book of Romans. The wrath of God is revealed against the unrighteous because man rejects the Creator and worships the creation (Romans 1:18-20). Men profess to be wise in their own eyes (v. 22) and exchange the glory of God for created things. These people then continue in a downward spiral of sin that is listed in verses 28-31, sins to which all of us can relate. Not only do they participate in these sins, but they also approve of those who do them (v. 32). Not only do men have the creation of the world to see God’s power, but they also have their consciences convicting them of their sin (2:14-15). In the end, man is left without excuse that we deserve to die, and we stand condemned in front of God.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh so that “you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name” (John 20:30,31). This is another witness to God’s existence and also stands to condemn those men who choose to reject Christ as the Son of God. Because Christ came to pay the price of sin, and He came to “explain the Father” (John 1:18), man has no excuse for rejecting Him. Men choose to go to hell because they reject Christ, not because God causes them to go there. God has paid the price, revealed Himself to all, and now men are “without excuse” (Romans 1:20). God allows people to be born to give them the opportunity to believe, but it is man’s responsibility to make that choice. What kind of God would He be if He did not give man the opportunity to place his faith in the Lord?
This is still a very difficult concept to grasp. We can only cling to what we know about God’s nature and character, trust that His sovereignty and mercy do not contradict one another, and believe that everything He does and/or allows will ultimately be for His glory. We submit ourselves to Him in worship and obedience and trust that He “works all things according to the counsel of His will” (Ephesians 1:11) and that His ways are perfect, even when we don’t understand them. “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he” (Deuteronomy 32:4).
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