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Is Everybody going to heaven?

Will everyone go to heaven?

  • Yes: Hell does not exist

  • Yes: Hell does exist but it is not permenant (God will rehab every soul)

  • No:There is a literal hell and those who go there never come back

  • I don't have an opinion / undecided


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Rajni

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The correct interpretation of the often misinterpreted verse by UR folk, I share here:

1 Corinthians 15:22
Just as everyone dies because we all belong to Adam, everyone who belongs to Christ will be given new life.



The translation you used above (which version is that, by the way?)
is not true to the original language.

1 Corinthians 15:22: "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

In the original Greek, it makes a direct comparison between all dying in Adam and all being made alive in Christ.

The Greek words for "even so" are "kai houtō(s)", and literally mean "and, also, even, indeed, but" and "in this manner, thus, so" respectively.

So the correct interpretation of that verse is that in the same manner all died in Adam, all (the same "all") will be made alive again in Christ. Both our dying in Adam and our being made alive again in Christ were decisions made at a higher level, without our vote on the matter.


Once again, man must step off the pedestal and let God have it. We are not as much in control of these things as we sometimes like to think



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Its almost odd how people say are you just with Jesus to avoid hell? Because that is what got me saved, the rapture idea.

That's what motivated me to accept Christ as my Savior too, initially – the fear of eternal hell. The rapture idea came later for me, but I eventually became a die-hard pre-tribber for the longest time!

Of course not, but had I thought all are saved, I would not have accepted Jesus' offer of life.
I believe you would have eventually, just for different reasons. Ultimately, everyone will trust Jesus. Remember, the scriptural motivator for loving God is that He first loved us (1 John 4:19), and not because He threatened us to love Him or else.

yes, I could have rejected it, free will. But I didn't.
Free will is a myth. I have already addressed this in post #343. Did you see it?

On top of that, since faith itself is a gift of God (Ephesians 2:8-9), it is not to our own merit that we are saved by it.

But the fact of hell wakes one up,makes one SEE that we were all going there because of sin, but Jesus' sacrificial death and resurrection gives us a chance NOT to.
Can anyone who images there is no hell understand that?
Yep, I can. I used to believe it. Fear of hell drove me to Christ, but love for Him is what keeps me with Him. I no longer fear what was a mythical place to begin with, because "perfect love casts out fear." (1 John 4:18)
 
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See jewish leaders of Jesus time. What was it they said to him? Oh yes "your father is the devil". Boy does that sound familiar where have I hear that?
Yes, even Jesus Himself was accused of being of the devil, a heretic, etc. And He is living proof that being called such -- by the "righteous" members of God's own "fan club" no less! -- doesn't mean He was!



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I'm reading this and the Spirit speaks to me and say's. "Just think of the glory thats waiting to be shown to you when the principles of mans doctrine which are wrong fall by the way side." My inner man leaps at the joy of what is ahead.
 
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So you were born outside of Adam? I think it's say's thats not true. As one had no choose in that matter why would God give you a choose in the other? You point makes no sense. It only states a lie "I'm a man and I'm in control. Sounds anti-christ to me. You have little or no understanding of the term order.
 
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So you were born outside of Adam? I think it's say's thats not true. As one had no choose in that matter why would God give you a choose in the other? You point makes no sense.

Paul's overall theology, and point here, is that Christ is the last Adam so just as all men died in the first Adam, so all men that are in the last Adam, in Christ, are made alive.

No doubt I predict you will dispute this especially since I see tension in your worldview where you haven't tried to reconcile Paul with Paul. So go ahead:

[insert you next ridiculous insult here]



It only states a lie "I'm a man and I'm in control. Sounds anti-christ to me. You have little or no understanding of the term order.


Yea. That's what it was. I'm the antichrist. I'm lying to you. I have the understand of men. I have the wisdom of the world. I have manmade doctrine. I have traditions of the world. [insert next cliche' here]
 
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What happens to the dead once death is abolished?
Death to a man is one thing death to God is another. As long as one thinks of death in the mind of a man one will never see the true nature of God. Death to God is life. "Dead in your sins" but where you not walking around alive? Jesus said "today you will be in paradise" So the body has nothing to do with death it is but dust. So does one ever die? I must say NO. What happean comes down to what you think paradise is.
 
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Paul's overall theology, and point here, is that Christ is the last Adam so just as all men died in the first Adam, so all men that are in the last Adam, in Christ, are made alive.

A more accurate rendering of that verse can be found in post #423, where it explains what the original text was driving at.


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amen.
 
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Amen.
 
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*IF LUCIFER (KJ GOT THIS WORD FROM THE LATIN VULGATE), OR SATAN IS A MAN, HE WILL BE SAVED. IN ADAM ALL DIE, IN CHRIST ALL ARE MADE ALIVE.

come again? you did not answer the question. Please expound on who or what Lucifer/Satan is/was.

Thank you.
 
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Originally Posted by brinny
You do realize the Great Reconciler is Jesus the Christ Himself, don't you?

What are you saying then that reconciliation and salvation are the same thing? One needs to be careful here and watch ones foot.

not following you enoch son
 
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So you were born outside of Adam? I think it's say's thats not true. As one had no choose in that matter why would God give you a choose in the other?

Good point. If,
in 1 Cor 15:22, the 2nd "all" (those made alive in Christ) is to be understood as meaning only "some", then what's to stop one from concluding that perhaps the first "all" (those who died in Adam) likewise means only "some"?

And, if that were the case, then *PRESTO*
! We now have the foundation for a doctrine that teaches that there are people running around out there who didn't die in Adam, and who therefore aren't sinners!

Boy, wouldn't I love to get their autographs, LOL!




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Originally Posted by Floatingaxe
You have to step down from that throne and place Jesus on that throne of your life. He is never there without invitation.

So you are saying your the king of your throne? Funny I think the word say's Jesus is the KING OF KINGS. So where do you fit?

enoch son, where did your response come from? Forgive me, it is confusing. She is not saying she's the king of her throne..she's saying Jesus the Christ is.
 
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STOP Fighting.

hello Moriah....tried to PM you...

tough subject, this is everybody going to heaven...seems like it's a mini-drama on this thread of the spiritual battle that is taking place, allbeit it an unseen one, in the heavenlies....i have something in my blog that touches on it..i may post it here...

*on another note, could you give me an update? thanks
 
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just a poem...

God will...

yes He will...

uh-huh,

God will

shine His Light

right smack

in the middle

of

darkness...

His Light delights me.....

His Light makes the dark ones squirm...

for in His Light...

darkness cannot hide....


There is a way which seemeth right unto a man; But the end thereof are the ways of death." Prov. 14:12

"See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; ... I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed; to love Jehovah thy God, to obey his voice, and to cleave unto him;..." Deut. 30:15, 19

"Thus saith Jehovah: Behold, I set before you the way of life and the way of death." Jer. 21:8

"For Jehovah knoweth the way of the righteous; But the way of the wicked shall perish." Psalm 1:6

"And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said, How long go ye limping between the two sides? if Jehovah be God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him..." I Kings 18:21

"Choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served ... but as for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah." Josh. 24:15



the battle rages on:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EMPEt6B2w4


and on:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkZEt4pM-MM

indeed.
 
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