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You need to restudy the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of light. You will find that the one setting on the throne is jesus and not oneself.
I don't see tested by trail anywhere in that ver. . You kept adding what is not there.
Amen. God has always shared this as the Reconciliation Awareness.I'm not a "universalist" the words not in the book. I preach reconciliation
2 Cor. 5;17-20 I know that the word God uses and it might be over you head but it's what Paul preached.
I'm not a "universalist" the words not in the book. I preach reconciliation
2 Cor. 5;17-20 I know that the word God uses and it might be over you head but it's what Paul preached.
What do you mean by Johnny-come-lately?
But what do you think relatively new is? Last twenty years, fifty?
Originally Posted by Floatingaxe
I don't. Universalists tip toe through the Word of God, ripping out the daisies and trampling on the roses.
I'm not a "universalist" the words not in the book. I preach reconciliation
2 Cor. 5;17-20 I know that the word God uses and it might be over you head but it's what Paul preached.
Anything that goes against the established authority of Scripture is a newfangled idea. So it could be 1900 years old and still be an idea that is odd or new and completely disposable, and worthy of the garbage dump.
LOL! You try and cover yourself well, FA!
btw.. There was no established authority of scripture for hundreds of years. I wonder how the early church made it through...
Which denominations interpretation of scripture do you go by?
Floatingaxe, your previous post makes it obvious that you don't know the universalist postion. We believe that only the blood of Christ can ransom sinners and there must be a personal acceptance of Christ. Our disagreement is over when that acceptance of Him must take place.
In regard to your post #333, I have some good news, and some bad news. First, the bad news: You may have blasphemed the H.S. The good news is that you aren't going to burn forever in hell fire. The Greek text just says for the next age. Seriously, you go too far. Why not stay on topic and just present arguments about your doctrine of endless torture?
You realize they only had the Old Testament?
God was more than clear of the outcome of rejecting Him. Plus, just because all the writings weren't bound for them in a book, doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit's hands were tied! Testimony was alive and well and moving people to salvation in Jesus Christ, no problem!There is no mention of endless punishment whatsoever in it. Not even a Lake of Fire?
Today is the day of salvation is in the bible, i guarantee you. Someone else will haev to find the chapter.Chapter and ver. please?
No Problem.Yes, that's New Testament History 101. Thanks for the on-the-spot review.
God was more than clear of the outcome of rejecting Him. Plus, just because all the writings weren't bound for them in a book, doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit's hands were tied! Testimony was alive and well and moving people to salvation in Jesus Christ, no problem!
You better believe it that the early Church knew about eternal separation from God in final Judgment!
Today is the day of salvation is in the bible, i guarantee you. Someone else will haev to find the chapter.
Revelation 14:9-11
Then another angel followed them, crying with a loud voice, Thos who worship the beast and its image and receive a mark on their foreheads or hands, they will also drink the wine of God's wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and they will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the precense of the holy angels and in the precense of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever.
Not that anything will convince some. But the truth is there.
And much more.
No, sorry. There is no such thing as punishment promised after death in the Old Testament. If there is then please supply scripture.
Please show from Genesis, the beginning, that God's judgment on mankind is endless punishment for sin.
That is revisionist tripe, and I reject it. UR is just such a damnable heresy, and I warn everyone I can about it.No, you'd better believe that the early Church did not believe in endless torment. That's something that did not rear it's ugly head for at least two hundred years after Christ... one of the damnable false heresy's that Paul knew would come into the Church and warned against.
are you saying that every one will accept Jesus the Christ, the only begotten Son of the living God?
*YES
If so, when? And how does this line up with the verse that God will not always strive with man, or Jesus the Christ saying to some 'depart from me for i never knew you'? Does He change His mind. Does God take a vacation from His 'holi-ness'?
*WHEN? IN THE DUE COURSE OF THINGS.
*GOD WILL NOT ALWAYS STRIVE WITH MAN-HE'S FLESH. STRIVING DEMONSTRATED THAT THE FLESHLY NATURE OF MAN CANNOT BE FIXED, SO GOD KILLED IT ON THE CROSS.
*DEPART FROM ME-THOSE WHO RELY ON FLESHLY WORKS AND HAVE NO PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD, CANNOT PARTAKE OF KINGDOM LIFE WITH HIM. THEY RECEIVE REMEDIAL PUNISHMENT, INSTEAD.
*GOD DOES NOT CHANGE HIS MIND, BUT THOSE RECEIVING REMEDIAL CORRECTION, WHETHER IN 70 AD, OR IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WILL CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
*NO, HE'S HOLY AND ALL HIS CREATION WILL BE HOLY IN THE DUE COURSE OF THINGS.
How does any of this fit into the real war that is happening as we speak...and the battles, and the admonition to put on the full armor of God, and the verse that He teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight..is there perhaps one of those battles going on as we speak.
*THE REAL WAR IS BETWEEN OUR EARS. THE END OF OUR FAITH IS THE SALVATION OF OUR SOULS. OUR SPIRIT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAVED. OUR UNRENEWED MIND, HELD HOSTAGE BY THE CARNAL NATURE, MUST REALIZE IT'S TRUE IDENTITY IN CHRIST AND BE CONFORMED TO THE MIND OF CHRIST.
*A BATTLE GOING ON RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT WE ARE THE ENEMY? THAT WOULD MAKE YOU AN ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN, SO I HOPE NOT.
Let's see if i'm clear on this...Lucifer, AKA Satan, will be forgiven? He will resume his place he once had?
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