Is ellen white a prophet? does it matter

[Adventist Dissident]

If you would have asked me this question 6 moths ago I would have risen up and defended it, but now I am not so sure. the first time I have had questions about EGw was about 10 years ago. I remember reading that EGW gave her husband advice about a prophetic topic that he sould wait and hold off and not bring it up. JW and uriah smith were locked in theological fight and she did not want him to cause problmes and divide that orginzation. He took her advice and his view was swept under the rug for 100 years, smith's view became dominate. The problem is that smith view was WRONG!!!! and James White was CORRECT. On the advice of EGW Error was allowed to be domninate. In a movement that claims to be a fullfillment of prophey and prides it self on prophecy it puzzels me as to why egw would allow this and the chruch for 100 years to mocked?

If you think this is an isolated case you are wrong?

 

[Dasdream]

Alright let this be my last post/comment on the subject. Was she a prophet? I don't really care. Does it matter? not to me. To me she is just a woman that wrote a book. Just like me, Joel Osteen and William G. Johnsson. We all wrote books and we all have a few tiny errors. No big deal. Are we all being used by God? yes. Are we perfect? No

 

[Adventist Dissident]

If you would have asked me this question 6 moths ago I would have risen up and defended it, but now I am not so sure. the first time I have had questions about EGw was about 10 years ago. I remember reading that EGW gave her husband advice about a prophetic topic that he sould wait and hold off and not bring it up. JW and uriah smith were locked in theological fight and she did not want him to cause problmes and divide that orginzation. He took her advice and his view was swept under the rug for 100 years, smith's view became dominate. The problem is that smith view was WRONG!!!! and James White was CORRECT. On the advice of EGW Error was allowed to be domninate. In a movement that claims to be a fullfillment of prophey and prides it self on prophecy it puzzels me as to why egw would allow this and the chruch for 100 years to mocked?

If you think this is an isolated case you are wrong?

should EGW be subject to the same critizim as the bible and Jesus. Book like "the case for Christ" and "Evidence that demands a verdict" answere the critics, examine the bible and examine the claims of christ. should EGW be held to a less criticizm?

 

[Sunrunner]

If you would have asked me this question 6 moths ago I would have risen up and defended it, but now I am not so sure. the first time I have had questions about EGw was about 10 years ago. I remember reading that EGW gave her husband advice about a prophetic topic that he sould wait and hold off and not bring it up. JW and uriah smith were locked in theological fight and she did not want him to cause problmes and divide that orginzation. He took her advice and his view was swept under the rug for 100 years, smith's view became dominate. The problem is that smith view was WRONG!!!! and James White was CORRECT. On the advice of EGW Error was allowed to be domninate. In a movement that claims to be a fullfillment of prophey and prides it self on prophecy it puzzels me as to why egw would allow this and the chruch for 100 years to mocked?

If you think this is an isolated case you are wrong?

She also ate pork up until the Lord corrected her. Just because someone wrote some inspired things, doesn't make their every word or opinion inspired. Peter himself denied Christ at one point, after all. I'm not so sure that deed was a revelation from the Spirit.

 

[Sophia7]

She also ate pork up until the Lord corrected her. Just because someone wrote some inspired things, doesn't make their every word or opinion inspired. Peter himself denied Christ at one point, after all. I'm not so sure that deed was a revelation from the Spirit.

Read this post, though, and the rest of the thread if you get a chance. Ellen White was very hesitant to give counsel on anything unless she thought that she had a clear message from God. Her own statements show that she didn't consider any of her writings to be her own opinion and that she believed that anyone who rejected her words would be rejecting God.

 

[Sophia7]

Alright let this be my last post/comment on the subject. Was she a prophet? I don't really care. Does it matter? not to me. To me she is just a woman that wrote a book. Just like me, Joel Osteen and William G. Johnsson. We all wrote books and we all have a few tiny errors. No big deal. Are we all being used by God? yes. Are we perfect? No

It matters because she claimed to be a messenger of God, and the Adventist Church officially considers her a prophet. Though she didn't give herself that specific title, she said she had no dispute with anyone else who called her that. So we can't just read her books the way we would any other Christian writer and accept the things that we like and disregard the things that we don't like. If she really was a prophet, then we can't just pick and choose which things we think were inspired and which things we think were just her opinion.

On the other hand, if she wasn't a true prophet, then where does that leave us? All of her predictions and teachings would be called into question, along with many distinctive Adventist doctrines that were originally accepted because of her visions. There is no middle ground here. She was either a true prophet or a false prophet. She herself left no room for anyone to think that she was just a nice Christian lady who wrote some spiritually uplifting books.

 

[Dasdream]

Again Sophia, I don't care. I'll read her stuff and think about it like I do with everything I read, but I just let her mistakes go. She said she was sure God was telling her this and that, blah blah blah. If I had a dime for everytime I heard that line. I could actually afford to buy my own lunch! She took "the message" too far.

Anyway I am tired of talking about her. Can we move on to something else, something that actually effects our everyday lives?

 

[Sophia7]

Again Sophia, I don't care. I'll read her stuff and think about it like I do with everything I read, but I just let her mistakes go. She said she was sure God was telling her this and that, blah blah blah. If I had a dime for everytime I heard that line. I could actually afford to buy my own lunch! She took "the message" too far.

Anyway I am tired of talking about her. Can we move on to something else, something that actually effects our everyday lives?

You are perfectly welcome to talk about her or not talk about her, as you wish. You can start other topics if you want to. If others want to talk about her, though, we can't force them to stop.

 

[Dasdream]

I have but their ignoring them lol

 

[Dathen]

Links to Ellen G. White threads:


http://www.christianforums.com/t4015753-what-is-with-all-the-hate-on-ellena-white.html

http://www.christianforums.com/t4097792-distinguishing-between-true-and-false-prophets.html

And plenty more if you search back through the pages of threads!!!!!!!!

 

[Cliff2]

Is ellen white a prophet? does it matter


If you would have asked me this question 6 moths ago I would have risen up and defended it, but now I am not so sure. the first time I have had questions about EGw was about 10 years ago. I remember reading that EGW gave her husband advice about a prophetic topic that he sould wait and hold off and not bring it up. JW and uriah smith were locked in theological fight and she did not want him to cause problmes and divide that orginzation. He took her advice and his view was swept under the rug for 100 years, smith's view became dominate. The problem is that smith view was WRONG!!!! and James White was CORRECT. On the advice of EGW Error was allowed to be domninate. In a movement that claims to be a fullfillment of prophey and prides it self on prophecy it puzzels me as to why egw would allow this and the chruch for 100 years to mocked?

If you think this is an isolated case you are wrong?

(icedragon101)

It would be good if you could inform us what this issue was that you are refering to.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

On the other hand, if she wasn't a true prophet, then where does that leave us? All of her predictions and teachings would be called into question, along with many distinctive Adventist doctrines that were originally accepted because of her visions. .

None of the SDA doctrines were fromulated because of her visions. The Sanctuary Doctrine, was discoverd by hiram Edson and OLR croiser, The sabbath was by another group, the state of the dead and the second coming were all discoverd before. EGW was given any visions. She is the claim to the spiritual gifts. that is all and you can believe them without EGW. It is not like the SDA church rises and falls on EGw. She claimed to be a lesser light pointing to a greater light, so why don't we just take her at her word and go to the greater lignt? hum To the law the testimony and EGW, if they speak not according to them there is no light in them.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

It would be good if you could inform us what this issue was that you are refering to.

what do you mean?

 

[Jimlarmore]

I think cliff2 is asking which doctrine are you referring to that they were arueing about.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Adventist Dissident]

it was not a doctrine, but an interpation of prophecy. The king of the north debate in daniel 11:40. smith said it was turkey, james white said it was the catholic church. this would not be a problme and only a small matter if our chruch did not put so much emphsis on this prophecy plus for years the Evanglists in the chruch would go around telling other that Smith view was correct. This is just dumfounding to me.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

how could a prophet not care about accurate interpation of prophecy? escically one that is still binding?

 

[Sophia7]

None of the SDA doctrines were fromulated because of her visions. The Sanctuary Doctrine, was discoverd by hiram Edson and OLR croiser, The sabbath was by another group, the state of the dead and the second coming were all discoverd before. EGW was given any visions. She is the claim to the spiritual gifts. that is all and you can believe them without EGW. It is not like the SDA church rises and falls on EGw. She claimed to be a lesser light pointing to a greater light, so why don't we just take her at her word and go to the greater lignt? hum To the law the testimony and EGW, if they speak not according to them there is no light in them.

But one of our official fundamental beliefs states that EGW was a prophet. Can I really be an Adventist without believing this? I agree that she wasn't the first to think of our beliefs and that she didn't make them up. She was even reluctant to accept some of them herself. She eventually confirmed them by her visions, though. The early Adventists did look to her to approve and to help define their doctrines.

There are a few Adventist beliefs that I have found myself disagreeing with lately, based on the Bible. I don't see a lot of support for them other than in the writings of Ellen White. I've been studying a lot lately, and if, as a result, I conclude that some of her writings contradict the Bible or that some of her prophecies were not fulfilled, then I can't accept her as a prophet, and I also can't accept a few of our other peculiar teachings.

Also, EGW warned that if anyone rejected her messages, they were rejecting God and that we shouldn't say that some of what she wrote was inspired and some wasn't. She believed that all of her counsel was inspired and that none of it disagreed with the Bible. In light of that, her words condemn me if I don't accept her as a prophet and everything she wrote as truth.

 

[Adventtruth]

Also, EGW warned that if anyone rejected her messages, they were rejecting God and that we shouldn't say that some of what she wrote was inspired and some wasn't. She believed that all of her counsel was inspired and that none of it disagreed with the Bible. In light of that, her words condemn me if I don't accept her as a prophet and everything she wrote as truth.

This was at one time very difficult for me in that I too though all she said and wrote was of God. Then I begain to read and study more and more of her works and found things that contradicted the bible. I was sort of crushed and embarrassed at the sametime. Suddenly all those negative remarks I had dispelled about her begain to be true. I did not want to accept it so I begain to look for answers at the estates website, oh yes they had answers...seemed to me a cover-up with poor reasons as to why.

Adventtruth

 

[Sophia7]

This was at one time very difficult for me in that I too though all she said and wrote was of God. Then I begain to read and study more and more of her works and found things that contradicted the bible. I was sort of crushed and embarrassed at the sametime. Suddenly all those negative remarks I had dispelled about her begain to be true. I did not want to accept it so I begain to look for answers at the estates website, oh yes they had answers...seemed to me a cover-up with poor reasons as to why.

Adventtruth

Yes, I have read their answers, and many of them just are not convincing to me.

 

[Cliff2]

I think cliff2 is asking which doctrine are you referring to that they were arueing about.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Correct, which doctrine are you talking about.