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frogman2x
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Tell us what lies we believe. Then we will try to hep you overcome your indictrination. Don't worry, it is never to late.
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That's it, talk about anything just as long as you are not made to think about what it is you believe.
I have heard it takes special training to make yourself believe blatant lies, is that true?
You are forgetting that although these eagles died in a canyon; we can still discern the strata they died in to the higher placed much older strata that the dino fossils are embedded in. There are many methods that are used to date these strata.
Also another thing you seem to miss is that you will not find eagle fossils within dinosaur fossils. If such a thing were to be discovered then it would shock the foundations of ToE.
No, it's you not thinking the story through, a good liar must have a good memory, creationists usually don't so they use BS to get out of conversations, creationists because of their beliefs are forced to start out wrong, they then try and put things right by making things up and getting themselves confused, then comes the BS.
The reason creationists never correct other creationists is because none of them know what they are supposed to believe, if it sounds crazy enough they will either nod and go along or say nothing.
Garbage in garbage out.
You are asking one to refute the existence of something unfalsifiable. Can you prove that pink polka dotted unicorns don't exist? Science does not deal with unfalsifiable claims. If you can understand that then you will see that your faith is not threatened by science. On the other hand creationists try to impose their faith onto science and this is unacceptable. Religions are static while science is an ongoing endeavour and subject to change. This alone creates a conflict when the two are mixed.I was not raised that way and I beleive God did it just as Genesis says. Can yoou prove He didn't?
No, they didn't get it from their parents. Nylon didn't even exist before then, so they couldn't have had the ability to digest it.
Also, where did these Italian Wall Lizards get their cecal valves?
Italian wall lizard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When the lizards came to the island, they didn't have cecal valves. Now they do. Where did that come from? Their parents didn't have them.
Are all bacteria one kind? They reproduce asexually, so how does that work? Wouldn't ever bacteria be a kind unto itself, then? Why are you acting like bacteria are one kind?
Which has happened. For instance, these sheep were breed to the point where they can no longer interbreed with other sheep. They can't bring forth with other sheep anymore, so by your definition, they're a new kind.
Molecular analysis of wild and domestic sheep ... [Proc Biol Sci. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI
You are asking one to refute the existence of something unfalsifiable. Can you prove that pink polka dotted unicorns don't exist? Science does not deal with unfalsifiable claims. If you can understand that then you will see that your faith is not threatened by science. On the other hand creationists try to impose their faith onto science and this is unacceptable. Religions are static while science is an ongoing endeavour and subject to change. This alone creates a conflict when the two are mixed.
Thank you!
It's too simple, and It doesn't come with theories, hypotheses, and suppositions; and they're not used to that.
Couple the fact that they probably invested a big chunk of their money getting their education to the fact that the Bible says ...
Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
... and you have a recipe for scientific methodism and Biblical illiteracy.
You say that then tell me you are a literal Bible believer, one statement contradicts the other.
You believe you have made your own choices because that's what you were trained to believe.
Creationism flies in the face of reality and you are OK with that because of how you were raised.
I honestly hope that you die as a creationist because if you ever realize before then what's was done to you it will destroy you, do you not see the children in your church being indoctrinated?
of course you don't, you see them being told the truth, just as the Muslim young are told the truth.
Haha, I just read through AV1611VET's scenario and I think it is quite a bit trickier than people are giving it credit for.
The real problem with the argument, of course, is radiation dating of the surrounding strata.
To paraphrase AV, it is indeed simple.It seems the more simple things r, the more people tend to look elswhere for more twisted answers.
I guess I missed the bandwagon when they were teaching people analysis 101: If what u see walks like a duck and quacks like it duck, it must be a goose. I don't know, am I missing something here?)
You are not big on subtlety, are you?Of course it's simple, you need to be simple or indoctrinated to believe it and who is going to admit to either of those?
It took decades, not millions of years for those lizards to adapt. Mine you, they are obviously still lizards.
We observe adaptations all the time, yet over many thousands of years we still see dogs as dogs, cats as cats etc.
Dating has also been mentioned, with many ways to do this. How can you accurately date something when you don't know conditions millions of years ago? Conditions on the Earth for example would upset carbon dating.
It was assumed coal took millions of years to form, but again this has been shown as nonsense.
With so much changing of minds, and theories needing adjustment, religion stands by its original information which has needed no adjustment and still hasn't been proved wrong.
Why do you keep bashing religion? This is a forum about science. The philosophy forum is thataway ->It's subtlety and people keeping quiet that has allowed religions to keep going for as long as they have, if believers were not allowed the special treatment they think their craziness deserves the world would be a much better place.
The powerful people of this world encourage the crazy religions to flourish, it allows them to do as they like, they keep the poor poor and grab everything for themselves, the Kings and the powerful have been doing it for thousands of years.
It does not matter when nylon was invented. They could have had that ability from the beginning but they did not need to use it. It really doesn' matter---they were still bacteria.
Scientists have also been able to induce another species of bacteria, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, to evolve the capability to break down the same nylon byproducts in a laboratory by forcing them to live in an environment with no other source of nutrients. The P. aeruginosa strain did not seem to use the same enzymes that had been utilized by the original Flavobacterium strain.[5] Other scientists were able to get the ability to generate the enzymes to transfer from the Flavobacterium strain to a strain of E. coli bacteria via a plasmid transfer.[6]
From their parents probably fom a mutation. How do y ou explain how they got them?
How do you know they didn't have them.
Of course not.
I'm not.
No. You need to know why they can't interbreed.
Actually, posting here has reaffirmed my belief that most intelligent people, whatever their beliefs, will not impede scientific progress. AV, who you keep haranguing, is a supporter of medical research into new treatments that may employ evolutionary ideas. Most of the people here have not (that I have seen) been arguing against teaching evolution in school. And many of these people, through their faith in God, have been able to get through extremely difficult situations. Where is all the damage?It's a forum about science being undermined by a crazy belief.
I am not bashing religion I am against the damage they do, I know you don't need anyone to tell you just how much damage religion does because you can see it here for yourself every day.
You're just sore because you found out Santa Claus doesn't exist.When people look to the supernatural (whatever that is) for an answer they have immediately got troubles, their brains are not working properly for them even to think straight, you said their belief in a supernatural God has got them through bad patches of their lives when you know full well it was they themselves that got them through not some imagined saviour.
Children raised to believe in unseen beings will be damaged for life, why not raise them to see and read the world as it really is and not in some imagined father figure that does not exist, is reality and the truth really that bad? are your lives so bad that you need to stay in a make believe world of Gods and angels? if you don't like your life as it is then change it, don't hide from it in a dream world.
Evolution deals in facts while religion deals in make believe, which one should we pursue? facts or make believe?
JWGU if you don't mind I would like to step in here and add my two cents worth.When people look to the supernatural (whatever that is) for an answer they have immediately got troubles, their brains are not working properly for them even to think straight, you said their belief in a supernatural God has got them through bad patches of their lives when you know full well it was they themselves that got them through not some imagined saviour.
Children raised to believe in unseen beings will be damaged for life, why not raise them to see and read the world as it really is and not in some imagined father figure that does not exist, is reality and the truth really that bad? are your lives so bad that you need to stay in a make believe world of Gods and angels? if you don't like your life as it is then change it, don't hide from it in a dream world.
If you mean do I naturally look to the supernatural for answers to my worldly problems then the answer is no.
I was not raised to do that, but I have the sense to realise that had I been raised to do it I would do it now,
why don't you realise that had you not been raised to be a Christian you would very likely be like me? an Atheist.
Oh my, you really haven't changed. I wasn't raised a Christian, your indoctrination theory fails with me.
So you were raised an atheist? So I guess it is expected to conclude that all people of religious faith are somehow indoctrinated to faith as you were to faith in atheism. Did your parents not force you to believe what you believe then? Are you free to believe what you want?
With regards to the lizards, surely this goes against your Toe? It took decades, not millions of years for those lizards to adapt. Mine you, they are obviously still lizards.
Apparently we don't have free will and have to become what we are raised to be.
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